Ted Cruz, so whaddya think?

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  1. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    How come I have to follow the Framers' intent? Did they ever follow my intent? Politeness has its limits when it's not mutual.
     
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    How would you like to buy stock in a company and have the company decide your stock is no longer valid?

    The "framers" of the company intended you to be able to own a % of the company and have voting rights for your share of stock.

    Because the corporation's bylaws (constitution) are codified at the beginning (perhaps 100+ years ago in the case of AT&T or Sears or other very old companies), they have to live by those rules.
     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    I just remembered when I signed that uncoerced contract.
     
  4. Further

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    If one is birthed via c-section they may not be president, as they aren't natural born.
     
  5. Denny Crane

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    I don't think the method of birth has anything to do with "natural born" in this context.
     
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    I was making a joke with a point. People here are trying to interpret the law one way or another, but until the supreme Court hears arguments we won't really know. Because, just going by the wording without reason or intent, my scenario of c-sectioners not being valid would sound appropriate. Any reason applied, and of course even Donald Trump can run even though he was ripped by Beelzebub's tar-laden belly, in America.
     
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    I think there's no ambiguity about the term.

    Natural in the sense of Naturalized or not.

    It's not some nebulous concept.
     
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    That statement right there bugs the hell out of me. Why would people want the court to tell us what the law means? The term has already been define contemporary with the time of the creation of the Constitution and it is available to read. It is not difficult to understand and it seems quite logical. People of today might want to change it slightly or radically but before deciding, they should read it and then amend it if change is desired. What I object to is ignoring the requirement out of ignorance of meaning of Natural Born citizen and the intent of why the requirement was stipulated. Having the court change the meaning is a ridiculous lazy form of extreme apathy. But then, so is ignoring the requirement.
     
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    The courts aren't there to change the meaning, they are there to interpret. I've heard comments on tv from people who interpret it both ways. Eventually, the courts decide on the interpretation they believe the constitution implied. Or at least that's their charge. That's why they are there.
     
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    Did you read it yourself?
     
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    10 million people on net gained

    Wow! They just blow off those that lost their health insurance. They did the same to the workers that got cut back to part time work.
     
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    Wow! You just blow off those who gained health insurance.

    By the way, it's who, not that.

    Besides, if you don't consider health insurance a worthy freedom to subsidize, why do you care when it gets unsubsidized? That's your goal. Why aren't you praising the loss of health insurance to the undeserving scrub 47%, for example Republican small business owners?
     
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    No I have not. It could be simple as you state, but in that case the courts decision would be obvious. From the bit I saw on tv (cnn I think) there appeared to be a debate. Perhaps I'll read the part myself if I get a few minutes. But regardless, you must admit there are groups who interpret both ways. Just because you find it obvious doesn't mean everyone dose, else there wouldn't be segments on tv, articles in papers and such discussing the issue.

    But either way, I don't think it should be a hindrance if one has lived their whole life in America. So if it's deemed allowable, fine by me. If it isn't, I'd be in favor of an amendment as I stated earlier.
     
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    Wow, further.

    When the constitution gets in progressives' way, they pretend the language is subject to ridiculous kinds of interpretation. And that's what they write about.

    You offered no real support.
     
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    My views are all over the map. I lean liberal, but I also appreciate common sense and that belongs to everyone, even if few use it.
     
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    That's fine.

    My point is that just because there's lots of fairy tales on the Internet about Santa Claus doesn't make him a reality.
     
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    I wasn't claiming Santa is real, I was claiming that there are people who believe in him.
     
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    That doesn't speak at all to him actually being real.
     

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