OT The Death of the non-shooting point guard

Some of my favorite players have been non-shooting PGs. Rajon Rondo is the most obvious example, but Ricky Rubio, young Jason Kidd and Andre Miller are other candidates. So it pains me to say this, but it looks like the NBA game just doesn't suit them any more. Look at Rondo in Dallas. A train wreck. They're better with basically anyone else playing the point. Last night he lasted under 10 minutes and they were behind by around 10 in the time he was on the floor. Getting Rondo was like Whitsitt getting Detlef Schrempf the second time, or trading for Shawn Kemp - it was the last piece of tinkering that broke the toy.
Rubio's a different case in that Minny actually was a good deal better when he played this season, but you can tell it's not really going to work long term because teams' defenses just won't let it work. And this is sad, because Rubio and Rondo are way more fun to watch than just about any other PGs. Their passing is certainly elite, and Rondo's defense and balls-to-the-wall play used to provide a non-stop string of playoff highlights. So, I pour out a 40 on the ground in honor of their passing (in favor of shooters who barely play a lick of defense). I leave you with this:

 

Well is it more Rondo or Rick Carlisle? Something is wrong in Dallas and it probably goes deeper then just Rondo.

 

1) Rondo's an energy guy who's playing without energy (feud w/coach?) - that's the death of him.

2) Rasta's Next Up: Death of the non-shooting PF! (and yes, there is some truth to that).

 

Great post and certainly true. Their a dying breed indeed

 

Frazier, Frazier . . .

 

FTFY.

Centers realistically are the only players that can get away with not being able to shoot. But I have a feeling even that is going to change soon. Plus, centers with range are already at a premium.

 

My guess is the owner. I doubt Donnie Nelson made the call to give up what they did for Rondo.

" They lost starting point guard Jameer Nelson (who was a nice fit for the offense), backup wing Jae Crowder (who'd be the only Maverick capable of slowing down James Harden in the playoffs), backup center Brendan Wright, a 2015 first-round pick, and a 2016 second-round pick." Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/dallas-mavericks-rajon-rondo-trade-disaster-2015-4#ixzz3Y3uvJABr

Dallas was one of the top offensive teams in the league before the trade. Excellent at finishing games because Monte Ellis controlled the ball and took over. What good is Rondo during that scenario? This is not on Carlisle. This is about the front office taking a chance and having it back fire. I would say it was worth the risk....but it had disaster written all over it from the start.

 

Yes, they are a dying breed.

 

I think it's directly related to the relatively new value put on the 3pt shot.

 

I declare the death of the PG that can't shoot, acts like he doesn't give a fuck and quits on his team in the playoffs.

BNM

 

Then quickly becomes an allstar for the Shanghai Sharks and makes the Chinese finals!

 

I don't know when PG that can't shoot have ever been desirable. PG that lean toward assist rather than shooting have always been very helpful.
Here is a list of some of the NBA finest examples and Portland's best also in the group. I don't think anyone would say they can't shoot but were damn good dishing the ball while shot selection was excellent.

PG Career Assist Points Career FG% 3P% Career A/M

Maurice Cheeks 7392 12195 .523 .255 1.65

Magic Johnson 10141 17707 .477 .303 1.77

Chris Paul 6950 13060 .474 .364 1.36

John Stockton 15806 19711 .515 .384 2.39

Rod Strickland 7987 14463 .454 .282 1.23

Terry Porter 7160 15586 .463 .386 1.14

SG comparison
Clyde Drexler 6125 22195 .473 .318 .66 <-- SG is nearly alway less than one.

Damian
Lillard 1495 4977 .429 .368 .66
2015 507 1720 .434 .343 .66

 

Stockton was one of the best shooters in the history of the league. cp3 and porter were great shooters too.

 

There are trends that the league goes through then a player comes by and breaks the mold. I think there is so much talent in the league there is a smaller difference between superstars and role players. So now it's becoming more important for all players to be able to shoot. But some coach will find a way to utilize a unique player at some point with a new scheme. That's one thing I do really like about Memphis is they have a very different unique style of play from the rest of the league.

 

Probably. And notice that he wasn't wanted for the US team last summer, despite being the best defender of the bunch of young guys.

 

It's not nice to talk about Dame like that.

 

Was reading this article about Rondo and Carlisle, and it compares Carlisle's relationship with RR with the one he had with Jason Kidd, and it uses this picture:

How many NBA coaches are in this picture?

 

Not sure who the guy is between Kidd and Stotts, but not counting him, I see at least 5 - (from left to right) Dwane Casey, Jason Kidd, Terry Stotts, Rick Carlisle and Brad Stevens.

BNM

 

Zach Lowe piles on: