As Rose Goes...

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  1. transplant

    transplant Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    For those unfamiliar with the "GameScore" stat, it's a single game all-inclusive boxscore stat...sort of like a one-game PER.

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    As you can see, Rose has 3 single-digit game scores and they were in the three Bulls playoff losses.
     
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    So hopefully Rose will get more double-digit scores from here on...
     
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    such sweet thunder Member Staff Member Moderator

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    Do you guys think Rose will ever be consistently healthy again like he was in '10-'11?
     
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    transplant Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Isn't he healthy now? Physically, I don't see anything limiting him.

    As for the regular season, I guess I'd bet against an injury-free season for Rose.
     
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    More worrisome is that Jo cannot even make a layup or a free throw, and he doesn't look great on defense either.
     
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    kukoc4ever Let's win a ring! Staff Member Moderator

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    Rose is healthy, he's just not consistent.

    And he's a fragile basketball player health wise. Hopefully he can hold it together for a few more weeks here.

    He doesn't play as above the rim and take as many violent forays into the lane as when he was MVP level. I think that's by choice. That type of play probably wasn't sustainable long term. Given that he's not a great shooter, its been a journey to get back to an effective state.

    When he sucks, the Bulls tend to lose, given the amount of time he has with the basketball and his high usage rate.
     
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    Even when he's bad on offense, he's head and shoulders above our other choices at PG. In fact, he's head and shoulders above most PGs anywhere.

    In that game we lost to the Cavs and he only had a +9 GmSc, he put up 14 points, 7 rebounds, and 10 assists.
     
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    Well yeah, Rose is the Bulls best PG. If anyone is calling for Brooks or Hinrich ahead of Rose, you have my permission to shoot him.
     
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    My point is he's extremely good as a PG even during his off games.

    I'm looking forward to seeing him play next season. I think the injury gremlins are dead. He's had very few games since returning from the last surgery. Westbrook is the precedent.
     
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    My point is that this team may not be strong enough to survive Rose's off games.
     
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    It has to be. We have all that talent! So I'm told.

    Two all stars not named Rose. Taj, Mirotic, Noah. And of course, DunVP.

    The Cavs have a big 2. Our two best need to be near even with them. Niko needs to outperform Delavedova.
     
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    He won the game for us, great stats, on two days rest.
     
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    God you're something.

    Spin however you like, but the Bulls go as Rose goes. Rose can't just be an average PG. He needs to be a difference-maker. Rose needs to be the truth.
     
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    I would characterize the situation as this: this season, Rose is not a good enough player to carry this team to victory over the Cavs. He may not have ever been. We saw it down the stretch last night. Rose missed a slew of isolation shots within the last 3:00 minutes when the Bulls would have been better just running the team offense.

    This is the core of all my complaints with how Thibodeau has coached this team. My frustrations stem from the fact that he seems to be coaching this team as if it was his team from 2010-2011 when it's not. He has new talent, and some of his older players, namely Rose and Noah, are no longer as effective as they once were. Moreover, the league has changed and Thibs' schemes aren't nearly as effective as they once were.

    Are any of you of the opinion that Rose (instead of Butler) should have taken all those iso shots down the stretch last night?
     
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    We won.

    That's the plan. He didn't play Nazr.... Anyone can second guess any of his decisions. Especially if they don't care we won.
     
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    In the last 3:15, Rose was 1-3 and went to the line for 4 FTA.

    Jimmy was 1-2 in the last minute of the game.

    Edit: Rose was 1-4. His 3 misses were layups.
     
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    Yeah, I'm of the opinion that Rose, rather than Butler, should have had the ball in his hands in all critical situations. Who takes the shots is largely determined by Rose's distribution choices.
     
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    I was quite frustrated with Rose trying to take it into the teeth of Lebron time and time again down the stretch as well.

    That being said, his "attack mode" mentality led to him having a great 2nd half.

    Does that decision come from the sideline? Rose can make better decisions and run the offense as well. Its not like those possessions come out of timeouts. It seems like Rose has pretty much free reign in those situations. I'm not sure you are going to get a very effective Rose if you turn him into a "system" PG.

    I would like to see Rose choose to pass at times in those situations when playing 1 on 1 against Lebron, as that matchup doesn't seem to go well for the Bulls very often.
     

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