OT Clips worried DJ could bolt

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  1. Rastapopoulos

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    1. Prove it. ("It's obvious to me" is not proof.)
    2. What's "the last two months of the season" to do with it? Are you saying that what you're saying only applies to the last two months of last season? But even if that's true, who cares?
     
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    Honestly, I think hes a better fit next to a stretch 4 like LA or Meyers than RoLo is. He is a ferocious cutter to the basket and would honestly open up the floor even more for LA. RoLo, while decent is just such a lumbering big man that it bogs down our offense at times.
     
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    I am crazy. But in my defense, so are the advanced stats.
     
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    that analytic is somewhat flawed and DJ improved this year. Plus Jordan is so much better at PnR defense, defensive rebounding, and 1on1 post defense that he's miles ahead of Rolo as a defender
     
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    ORLY?
     
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    Now, if we could get Rudy Gobert, then I'd be interested. Far better, younger and cheaper than Jordan.
     
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    But then again, so was Michael Jordan. Likewise Kobe Bryant. Similarly contemptuous of boneheaded teammates.
     
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    The more important question is how would he fit with Dame. He would be fine with Meyers or LMA, but he needs to step out to give Dame more space. Robin has a nice 10 foot set shot. Jordan does not.

    Also the Clippers are known as "lob City" mainly because Cp3 is so good at doing it. I love Dame, but he is a different type of PG than Cp3. Other than Miller no one sets up an alley oop like Chris Paul. Would Jordan revert back to his days before Cp3? Although I am sure Batum could help getting him easy baskets.
     
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    you throw me 3 cherry-picked, flawed analytics, that don't relate to what I just said
     
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    Jordan has a better DRPM than Rolo, better RPM, higher WAR, WAY better DRB%, ORB%, higher block%, better, OWS, DWS, and total Win Shares, a higher WSper48, higher DBPM, BPM, VORP, higher STL%, PER, higher ORTG, lower DRTG. What exactly says Rolo is better?
     
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    Looks like it makes the case for Hibbert over DJ.
     
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    Fair enough. Jordan certainly had his best year and Lopez underperformed. However, Jordan is far from the elite defender he's supposed to be and that's what he's good at. His offense has been totally dependent on playing next to Chris Paul and Blake Griffin, the best passers at their respective positions in the league.
     
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    You can use all the advanced stats you want, and I'm not saying that DJ is definitively better than RoLo on the defensive side of the ball, but at worst it is even and DeAndre would add much much more versatility to our team both offensively and defensively that he is a much better fit than RoLo is here.

    The half-court alley oop is an art that CP3 and Andre have mastered but DJ is so freakishly athletic that both Batum and Dame just have to throw it in the general vicinity of the basket for him to dunk it. This isn't even factoring in the crowd factor and how alley-oops to Jordan would ignite the Moda, and you can't argue that the Blazers are not a completely different team when the Moda Center is on its feet.
     
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    Here's what I will concede about Jordan:
    1. He's a phenomenal athlete.
    2. He's a phenomenal rebounder.

    But here are some more truths:
    1. The Clippers were mediocre on defense.
    2. They were actually better on defense when Jordan was off the floor.
    3. Jordan may be one of the worst free throw shooters in history, a fact which might skew his offensive rating, because he gets fouled intentionally so often that it looks like he's creating offense when in fact he's preventing his team creating better offense.
    4. He will demand a far bigger contract than RoLo.

    Here are some things that I BELIEVE to be true:
    1. Jordan was not worth his last contract and definitely will not be worth his next one.
    2. RoLo is a LOT more valuable than he appears, whereas Jordan is a lot less valuable than he appears because of the huge gulf in flashiness in their games.
    3. RoLo's basketball IQ is through the roof higher than Jordan's.
     
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    Couple more facts:
    The Blazers had a better defensive FG% than the Clippers.
    The Clippers were actually outrebounded as a team (both in the regular season and in the playoffs). As is well-known, our team rebounding went way up when we replaced the supposedly better rebounder JJ Hickson with RoLo. I have a feeling that Jordan is a rebounder like Hickson not a rebounder like RoLo.
     
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    I rest my case.
     
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    Clippers TRB% dropped over 7 points when Jordan went to the bench. Their ORB% went down by over 12. When we had Hickson, our TRB% went up when he went to the bench. Obviously some of that has to do with who is behind him. But they certainly didn't get better without him out there, like we did with Hickson.
     
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    So because someone gets more rebounds that makes his team a worse rebounding team? Right
     
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    If you think about it for two seconds, it's obviously possible. If he tends to takes the rebound away from another player on his own team and conversely isn't boxing out his guy. The reason we're better off with RoLo is because he focuses more on preventing the other team getting the rebound than on padding his own stats.
     

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