Kaman Decision

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  1. stampedehero

    stampedehero Make Your Day, a Doobies Day Staff Member Moderator

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    Thats funny.
     
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    stampedehero Make Your Day, a Doobies Day Staff Member Moderator

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    +>That is good logic
     
  3. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Only way I see Kaman being moved is if we use him and Batum in a trade for a legit big. Otherwise, I don't see any incentive of moving him. Actually, I'm liking the concept of bringing the entire crew back, with the exception of grabbing an MLE vet, to try for another "injury free" run at the title
     
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  4. JFizzleRaider

    JFizzleRaider Yeast Lords Global Moderator

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    Batum and kaman for hibbert please
     
  5. RR7

    RR7 Well-Known Member

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    We can do just Batum for him, and still try to use Kaman elsewhere
     
  6. JFizzleRaider

    JFizzleRaider Yeast Lords Global Moderator

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    True. Id give them to him if they asked. But you're right, could move him in a separate deal for assets
     
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    Batum for Hibbert would be a terrible trade.
     
  8. BlazerWookee

    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    I agree, but I'm curious as to your reasoning?
     
  9. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Because Indiana already has Paul George--why would they need Batum?

    Oh, you meant terrible for the Blazers...
     
  10. blue9

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    We'd get moderate improvement (hopefully!) at the C position and take a HUGE step backwards at the SF position.
    To go along with that, the only player that gets our C involved in the offense on a consistent basis is Nic. So while Hibbert might provide better defense than Rolo, we'll lose ~6 points that Rolo gets off of good set-ups from Nic.
     
  11. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    The fact that this got 5 likes bugs me.
    if Leonard can't fulfill his potential because he doesn't have a certain player coaching him then he doesn't have what it takes
    Kaman is not who matters for Meyers. Meyers is who matters for Meyers, and his work ethic and skill is what will carry him, not Kaman. The coaches will do their job to coach him up, not a player.
     
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    Indiana has already said they want to play smaller next year. George and batum can easily play the 2 and 3 together.

    Hibbert is a bonafide rim protector. Chandler, Jordan and hibbert would all improve this team at the center position.
     
  13. Orion Bailey

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    It kinda bugs me that you don't put anything into coaching then. So all players have the skills and knowledge to improve on their own without coaching? Then why do we even need defensive and offensive coordinators? Why aren't there just player/coaches in schools then?
    You cant be serious right?
    Did you also notice, or ignore that I suggested bringing Kaman back as a coach? or are you just reading tidbits and commenting on them alone? If so, you should just quote that portion.
    Do you not know that at one time, most coaches were players? So just because Kaman still has a roster spot, makes his knowledge of coaching irrelevant? puuulease....
     
  14. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    You didnt comprehend anything I said. So let me break it down

    Wrong. Let the coaches coach him, not Chris Kaman!
    Hah, do you really think that would happen? Cmon
    there's a reason players don't coach anymore. It's not that Kaman doesn't have knowledge to give to Meyers, it's that there are coaches that are paid to do as such... just because I have knowledge about something, doesn't mean if you want to learn, that you need me to teach it
    *Please
     
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    Wow, you like to blow things up without focusing on the point don't you?
    The point is we ALL know bigs take time to develop. So no one should go to Alojuwan's camps then huh? He isn't a coach, so who should listen to him?

    If you are resigned to just letting big men make it on their own without finding specialized coaches to help your potential stars, then you are simply asking for failure.

    The POINT is Kaman has been a HUGE influence on Meyers and it worked. Why break it up if we don't have to? Kaman isn't going to demand much, if anything, and players often transition to coaching while still on a roster. That's how they figure out they might one day actually enjoy/be a good coach. Its obvious Stotts needs help with the big men, so why not have Kaman on the coaching staff to help on this? This is far from laughable, but you can laugh if you like.

    and EVEN furthermore, someone else said it too, you can never have enough bigs. What's wrong with him riding the bench in case of injuries? Or did you miss that portion of my original post too?
    Ugh....Gotta read the whole thing, not just what you disagree with. It got those likes because it isn't that bad of an idea, but you can dog everyone who liked it to. ;)
     
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  16. ThugginPaulyGAllen

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    So, would you be opposed to Gary Payton coaching Damian Lillard defensively?

    Sometimes the coaching staff doesn't quite cut it - whether that be because the coaching staff is not up to snuff - or maybe a player - player connection just helps him more.

    While I don't agree we should keep Kaman solely for Meyers, I can see the logic. Hell, we signed Earl Watson, Mo Williams to mentor Damian Lillard - on court coaching. It is pretty effective.

    I also see Bones point where Meyers needs to do it himself. He can't be babied, it's a business, Kaman can only show him so much before it's up to him to pull through for himself.
     
  17. riverman

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    I couldn't disagree more with your take on this BJ...you've obviously never taught or raised a child. There are a ton of players who credit teammates with their development. Afflalo credited Sheed with his growth in Detroit..Wes looked up to Earl Watson as did Dame. Mentors are an important factor in sports, entertainment, business, etc...My own son is older than Meyers by a year and after graduating OSU in sports physical therapy, he learns from coworkers all the time. It's not a question of being entirely self taught. I don't care how old you are, you can always learn from a vet. I learned in Viet Nam to listen to the older guys and I survived. I think you should rethink your outlook on this.
     
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  18. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    No you miss the point. The point is you don't keep a player because he "mentors" a role player at the expense of adding talent and getting better. Kaman isn't done playing, he's not coaching this year, guaranteed
     
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    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    That's different. Going to one of the best defenders in NBA history during the offseason to improve your biggest doesn't compare to keep being a player at the expense of getting better because he's mentoring somebody
     
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    Clearly you don't think much of coaching if you don't think Kaman matters to Leonard's development. Regardless of whether Kaman is labeled as a player or a coach, he's coaching Meyers and it matters A LOT. We haven't had anyone to teach our bigs how to play as bigs in a very long time...as evidenced by the fact that our #1 big doesn't play like a big.
     

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