Okay, I lied, one more comment, only because you seem to be coming around. At first you argued most of what I said that Riverman reiterated. What I don't get is just because someone liked the post, which never said to NOT improve the team, you think that we don't want to improve? Like I said, that Riverman backed up and you now agree with, KAMAN has value on this team, more than any other team, because of what he has already proven. AGAIN, if there is a trade to bring in someone better to improve the team, I think we can find another way around to make the trade happen, rather than letting Kaman go. Maybe I am wrong, maybe not. But all of this was said already, and you keep dodging the statements but arguing the topic.
If we're so focused on developing a guy who will play 15 minutes a game that we pass up on increasing our talent level, then we'll never contend. That's my point. If we don't have the chance to improve by getting rid of Kaman then of course you keep him.
when did I ever said Kaman had no value?! All I said is I don't think he had as MUCH of an impact on Meyers as you guys think. And that if getting rid of Kaman improves the team then you do it.
I think most people around here see enough potential in Meyers to be much more than this. Who ever said that we want him to be a 15 minute a night guy? But then again you love to twist things around for your own... benefit? Obviously we don't keep Kaman around to mentor if that's all we think Meyers will be come. I think the PURPOSE of mentoring, is so he can become more than that???
And I'm thinking about how we could contend in the next couple years not developing one guy for years from now
He can do a bit of both and he is much younger than Lamarsha, who we are NOT guaranteed to have next year. This is it. My opinion and you can chew it up and spit it out. You keep Kaman another year for end of bench security and mentoring. If LMA stays, then Kaman is gone after next year and Meyers is a decent backup. If LMA goes, then why wouldn't we want to put more into Meyers? We don't know if LMA will be here or not by the time the decision on Kaman is completed, so we have to take a chance. I would rather take a chance on Kaman who is proven, than an xfactor...OBVIOUSLY unless we can package him for someone who is virtually guaranteed to improve us. But I laugh at that. Enough threads around pointing out that what we need and what is REALISTICALLY available, wont require Kaman as an integral part of the trade.
if LA leaves then you certainly keep Kaman because you're rebuilding anyways and then itd make sense to develop Meyers for down the road. I'm just thinking about how to contend in the next couple years. Obviously it'd be tricky to upgrade Kaman, I just disagreed with people who said they would say no to a better backup center because of Meyers
What if? They can't play together. We're already pretty stacked at C with Lopez, Meyers, Kaman, and LMA all able to play the position. I don't think it makes ANY sense to moderately improve at C while going from a Top 5ish SF to a barely serviceable SF. The only way I want Hibbert is if we get rid of LMA and get Monroe. And we wouldn't (necessarily) need to trade Nic to make that happen.
Seems like everyone that disagrees with you is wrong. You wear that argumentative hat quite well. Will say it rubs off as very douche and pompous btw.
if it rubs off that way, then fine. I was boldly stating my opinion. Even if I think the other person is wrong, an opinion is still an opinion and you're not wrong just because you have a different one then me.
It's not "boldly stating your opinion". It's how you shoot down anything who disagrees with you like they don't know shit. If you think that's fine then I don't know what to say.
Herein lies the problem. Meyers HIMSELF said that Kaman was a big help to him, so doesn't that make it a fact that Meyers improvement can be at least partially attributed to Kaman? Meyers is saying its a fact and your arguing its an opinion. I think Meyers knows more about what has helped him than you. These BOLD opinions you have are arguing FACTS that players have stated and that's what makes you sound pompous and makes it seem like you don't really read anyone's post in this thread, other than what you WANT to argue with. This is my opinion, not a fact.
