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  1. riverman

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    wow, I guess he's not coachable after all
     
    riverman, Jun 26, 2015
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    Anthony Bennett is available. VERY available.
     
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    I feel like we're missing something. Henderson is part of our team (unless traded solo) until August 24. Can't combine him with anyone.

    Kaman's big value (~4M savings in cap space, or up to 6.5M if they max out the trade value) is only until June 30. After that, he's an expiring contract in 2015-16.

    Crabbe has, to my knowledge, not been signed yet for 2015-16, so he can't be traded.
     
    BrianFromWA, Jun 26, 2015
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    now I know there are better options out there for us
     
    lawai'a, Jun 26, 2015
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  5. riverman

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    So are Greg Oden and Hasheem Thabeet last time I checked...Bennett is a bust
     
    riverman, Jun 26, 2015
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    Well that definitely puts a damper on my scenario! Lol

    Does our cap holds limit our space to just use Kaman?
     
    magnifier661, Jun 26, 2015
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    rephrase the question...I'm not sure I understand what you mean. But as of right now, until June 30, the only players we can trade in a package are Dame, Meyers, CJ, Crabbe(?--I have to look at his exact contract situation) and Kaman, and the rights to Connaughton. We can trade Henderson, Plumlee and Vonleh by themselves.
     
    BrianFromWA, Jun 26, 2015
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    I was saying do we have enough free cap space to trade Kaman 6 mil before June 30 and extra to grab Hibbert?
     
    magnifier661, Jun 26, 2015
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    Don't think so. Hibbert opted in, so he can be traded (he's not a contract that expires on June 30, like, say, LMA) and his contract until June 30 is 14.9M. With Kaman, Meyers and CJ combined, we don't even get to 9.5M, which wouldn't let us trade that package for him anyway.

    I think we're resigned into trading off parts one by one until June 30, and then using cap space to go after folks.
     
    BrianFromWA, Jun 26, 2015
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    I'm hoping you understand my post was a sarcastic post poking fun at the post I was responding to. But given your angst the past 48 hours, I'll understand if you missed it. :cheers:

    But yes.... let's add Bennett. He is a #1. Those only come around once per year!
     
    BLAZINGGIANTS, Jun 26, 2015
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    The interesting thing is that MIL and PHI are far enough below the cap right now to take Henderson for nothing (getting us an extra 6M in cap space). We'd probably have to give up a future 1st (or swap) for it, but technically we could trade Kaman and 1M to one team (1M to cover the salary they'd have to pay after cutting him) and Henderson to the other, and have about 14M in salary committed (or ~53M in cap space) to Dame/CJ/Crabbe/Vonleh/Meyers/Plumlee.
     
    BrianFromWA, Jun 26, 2015
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    I remember on draft day, they were still talking like he might slide to Portland at #10 (thank God he didn't). That 2013 draft was a wild one.
     
    BLAZINGGIANTS, Jun 26, 2015
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    Kaman for Bennett... Do it.
     
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    The thing I've noticed about Olshey is how unpredictable he is. He always does a trade that you never would've expected, but makes sense. The trades for Rolo and T-Rob, and more recently, the acquisitions of Plumlee, Vonleh and Henderson.

    If I have to guess at a Olshey out-of-the-blue trade, here's my guess:
    3 Team Trade
    PORTLAND Gets: Trevor Ariza
    DENVER Gets: Sam Dekker, Montrezl Harrell, Noah Vonleh, 2018 POR 1st Round Pick (Lottery Protected)
    HOUSTON Gets: Ty Lawson

    By trading Vonleh with the trade exception acquired from Batum, that's enough to cover Ariza's contract.
    Denver gets 3 extremely young prospects, cap relief, and a 1st round pick for Lawson, which is a pretty good haul in my opinion. As a rebuilding team, they'd rather have Vonleh and a 1st round pick then Ariza, especially with Chandler and Gallinari at SF. Houston unexpectedly picked up K Paps option, which I think is a sign they'll move Ariza. I expect them to start Brewer, with K Pap as the backup, sign Sergio Llull or match Beverley as backup PG, and use their MLE to bring back Josh Smith.
    After getting Ariza for Vonleh, we'd still have $40M in cap space, which we could use to sign Tyson Chandler ($10M) and to resign LMA ($20M)and Wes ($10M cap hold, but could go over cuz of bird rights. Then we could use the cap exception on Jameer Nelson
    Sign Jermaine O'Neal and Cliff Alexander to minimums:

    PG Lilard / Nelson / Frazier
    SG Matthews / McCollum / Pat
    SF Ariza / Henderson / Crabbe
    PF Aldridge / Leonard / Cliff
    C Chandler / Plumlee / O'Neal

    That's a contending team with a top 5 NBA bench, and a top 5 starting lineup. Good defenders in Wes, Ariza, and Chandler. Athleticism in Plumlee, Leonard and Henderson. A solid blend of Veterans and youth. O'Neal could mentor Leonard and Plumlee.

    -Another BonesJones Grade A Proposal-
     
    BonesJones, Jun 26, 2015
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    I don't think I can accept Arizona in my vocab.

    See, I couldn't even type Arizona.
     
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    Quick said Neil will look at players who can create their own shot.
     
    Fez Hammersticks, Jun 26, 2015
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    Henderson, Nelson, CJ and Dame can. Ariza can slash and hit pull up 2s.
     
    BonesJones, Jun 26, 2015
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    2s? As in Rudy?
     
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    That's funny cuz right after quick said blazers will be looking to add guys that can create for themselves, he mentioned that the only guy on the team that could was CJ. Used the grizzlies series as an example
     
    Scalma, Jun 27, 2015
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    I have a hard time seeing Neil move Vonleh after just picking him up unless it's in a package for Boogie-type player.
     
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