Neil is building towards something...

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  1. BonesJones

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    Since yall don't like Ariza how bout Vonleh and the exception for Wilson Chandler? He's better, cheaper, and on a one year deal.
     
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    I think people forget that each player can't go completely without flaws. While Hibbert has mobility issues, he's still legitimately one of the best defensive big men in the league. Like the Warriors, the Blazers have to be able to offer other looks. When we are going to need a more agile and mobile defensive presence, we can sub in Mason Plumlee or even Meyers. Hibbert doesn't have to be an all in one problem solver. Those usually don't exist.

    If the buy is low on Hibbert, I welcome him. He shouldn't be our big splash this summer but if we're able to keep LaMarcus and acquire another max level player while using table scraps to acquire Hibbert? We may have a very successful summer.
     
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    no such thing as buying low on Hibbert because he's making 15 million. Plumlee's a slight downgrade making $14M less
     
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    I feel like all I'm doing is raining on your parade, which is not my intention--keep 'em coming!

    But I don't think what you're talking about is CBA-able. Vonleh can't bring back Chandler's salary by itself, unless we have cap room, and we probably would have to renounce the exception to get cap room. And even if we had both, you're not allowed to combine a TE with a player's salary to bring back something you couldn't with just the player's salary.

    There is only a limited exception (pun intended) for when you can combine exceptions:
     
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    Typically, centers who can defend the paint as well as Roy Hibbert go for about that asking price. I don't think 15 mil with one season left over is a big deal at all. What are the alternatives? Outside of DeAndre Jordan and Marc Gasol, who else protects the paint as well as Roy Hibbert? I think he's worth the game if we are able to retain LA and acquire another max level player. He could fill out the starting lineup incredibly well with Mason Plumlee backing him up, giving us an entirely different look.
     
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    Keep Plumlee and sign Brandon Wright for a $5M backup and use the extra $9M on Luol Deng or a better player in another area. Compared to getting Hibbert, overpaying Wes, and starting Henderson at SF when he's actually a SG. Hibberts a only a slight upgrade over Rolo, because he's a couple inches taller. They're the same exact player. So why make it harder to upgrade other positions and to get more depth just to slightly upgrade starting center.
     
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    ^^ fucking boom
     
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    Luol deng not so much but having the ability to throw cash at an elite SF is the way to go
     
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    you can't combine a trade exception with salary? I didn't know that. But we still have so much cap space that we could trade Vonleh for Chandler. We have over $40M
     
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    Wow, you're really on this trade Vonleh for over the hill stopgaps.
     
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    what do you mean?
     
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    Super pumped on plumlees grittyness and value, and honestly one more big time player to make LA understand that this is the place he can go to win now. Not to mention the extra mil he can throw in his checking account. Olshey is highly educated and calculated on every move he makes. If you think otherwise you don't know basketball and your opinions are scoffed at.
     
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    Ariza

    Chandler, who has peaked.

    We're not a team that's close to contending. Trading a lotto talent, who would've been one of the youngest players in THIS summers draft, for 30+ year old/average talent makes zero sense.
     
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    Just because he's 19 doesn't mean he'll develop. You guys are talking like this guy's a surefire future all star... if he was, Charlotte wouldn't have traded him for Nic freakin' Batum. Why trade a likely solid role player 5 years down the road for a solid role player now? To keep LA.
    Even though Chandler peaked recently, he's still a really good NBA Center. Im higher on Ariza then most of you guys, but you could trade Vonleh and Hendo for Wilson Chandler instead.
     
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    You roll the dice on his potential. Neil is obviously a fan. One of the first players he interviewed last summer in Vegas was Vonleh -- when we had no pick.

    Chandler is past his prime and doesn't get you over that hump. He's on the same tier as RoLo.

    Wilson Chandler has peaked and, at best, is an average talent. His numbers are already starting to dip. None of these players will make this team good enough to keep LA. You put any of these guys on this years team and Memphis still bounces this team easily.
     
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    Neil is building this team for Aldridge... And Lillard. He's adding talent without getting older. I think that's a huge concept to consider here. If we add older.players and Aldridge does leave then we have a lotto team built with guys who have peaked. By keeping young players who are talented the team continues to grow regardless of what Lamarcus does.
     
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    you're doom and gloom attitude is blinding you. Chandler is an upgrade over Rolo. Chandler is a better fit than Batum. He attacks the basket, can still shoot, and defends with more intensity. Plumlee is an upgrade over Kaman. Meyers, Dame and CJ will continue to get better. Henderson is another piece off the bench with Wes as the backup 3. Basically we uprade our starting lineup, our bench, get better defenders, get more variety and a better blend of offensive skillsets, and we get way more athletic. This compared to a team that was still 3rd in the west when Wes went down, and somehow were not contenders???
     
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    if we have enough solid pieces it'll attract Love, Millsap, or Monroe.
     
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    Agree to disagree.
     

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