Why is Neil Olshey sitting on his thumbs?

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  1. Schilly

    Schilly Well-Known Member

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    Do you guys realize the shit storm of calling for his head that would have ensued had Neil traded Lamarcus. This is tame by comparison, after all Lamarcus pledged to return and be the greatest blazer ever. People would have flat out freaked out.
     
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    Chrionex Fuck Texas

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    It is just flat out delusional.
     
  3. dviss1

    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    Some of you people post the most asinine statements. You are also the same people who liked lots of the moves we made. You know the moves that prompted Aldridge to LIE HIS FUCKING ASS OFF...
     
  4. Blazers Roy

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    Guys, stop it with the Matthews injury already...we would have lost to Memphis even if Wes was healthy. We were too soft and beta on defense to handle teams like Memphis or GSW.

    And LMA planned his backstabbing' months ago...
     
  5. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Must be nice...
     
  6. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    That's a terrible reason to base your decisions on as a general manager. It's lonely at the top and these guys get paid to make the moves that feel will put the team on the best track for long-term success, not to let public image or fan outrage tie their hands. If they can't hack it then they ought to be removed from their job and replaced with somebody that can.

    The only person Neil has to worry about is Paul Allen . . . but maybe there's your answer? Maybe he couldn't sell a LaMarcus trade to PA?
     
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  7. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    We got a fucking Nostradamus on our hands here. Let's call him mr. 20/20
     
  8. blue32

    blue32 Who wants a mustache ride?

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    maybe hes sitting on his thumbs sacrificing them to the injury gods so we can have uninjured hands this year.
     
  9. Schilly

    Schilly Well-Known Member

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    There are quite a few flaws with your theory. First and foremost, there is a reason they play the games rather than just handing out trophies for roster compilation. Next is at the time of his injury we were the legit 4th seed and playing very well. Let's look at standings at time of Wes injury.

    Warriors 48-12
    Grizzlies 44-18
    Rockets 42-20
    Blazers 41-19 (5 game win streak)
    Clippers 40-22
    Mavericks 40-24
    Spurs 38-23
    Pelicans 33-29

    At that time we wouldn't have even played the Grizzlies but would have had home court against the Clippers.

    We had just acquired Afflalo to be our 6th man. And he was just starting to fit into that role.

    It's really nice and frankly lazy to assume results would be the same with Wes as they were without. It's almost as accurate as saying Oren ould have been out of the league in 7 years even if he hadn't had injuries. For all we know we might have ended up the 2 seed facing Dallas.

    Ohh yeah and at the time Wes went down we were the 4th best defensive team, we slipped to 10th in the remaining month.
     
  10. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Actually, we were third seed (based on win pct) and would have been matched up with the Mavs at the time.
     
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  11. Schilly

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    I agree with you that's why I'm not basing decisions on a single move, in this case not being able to convince a player to stay... and in addition not trading said player. We don't have a single clue what things were said or discussed behind closed doors, so I personally can't fault him for what I think should have happened in hindsight. Clearly in hindsight trading him to Cleveland for Bennett and Wiggins last year would have been the best thing we could have done... but we had just come off a trip to the 2nd round and our all star pledging to stay.

    My only point I was making is fans are pissed at Neil because Lamarcus left. They would have been even more pissed in the wake of last season had Neil traded Lamarcus, because even if Lamarcus had demanded a trade Neil would have failed in convincing Lamarcus to stay.

    It's a lame vindictive mindset that a lot of people have that someone should suffer for their personal unhappiness... In the case of sports a GM should be fired. Clearly there are times when General Managers and coaches fail at there jobs and have to be relieved of their duties, but that is a larger overall body of work thing.
     
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    As somebody who has been bashing Olshey incessantly, I actually kind of agree that he could have been a lot worse. So far he hasn't made a desperation offer to a bad player. For example, I would be really mad if I were a Pistons fan and I saw that Reggie Jackson just got an $80 M contract. Or if I were a Clippers fan and I realized that Javale McGee was Plan B. But then again, of course, both those teams will still be better than us next season.

    However, on the other hand the front office under Olshey seems a little unimaginative and unadventurous. Except for trading Batum for Vonleh and Henderson. I still don't see what Olshey sees in Vonleh. Here's hoping I'm proved wrong.
     
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    I watched every game last year and this is my educated opinion.
    We can argue about how the seeding might have flipped and how we might have made it passed the the first round if we met the Rockets or the Mavs, but at the end of the day we had a bad match-up against Memphis and GSW and even against the Clippers and the Spurs we needed miracles in order to win.

    I find it kinda relaxing you know? leave CouldaShouldaWoulda out of it all.
     
  14. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Well obviously that's not what he said..... You left out about 20 ya'knows.


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  15. Schilly

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    Unimaginative? What about the trade to get Lopez? Or the one to get Robinson that translated to Afflalo? I think the Frazier signing was very creative too. Granted he hasn't proven anything yet but getting him on a 2 year deal just to lock him up.

    Neil has done a very very good job to date. Maybe he hasn't orchestrated out of nowhere 3-4 team deals, but his moves all are shrewd and don't leave us holding the bag saying hey what happened here.
     
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    Pardon me but how do you know he's sitting on his thumbs? Do you know he's not working phone/email? That the Blazers had no Plan B? Because I don't.
     
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    I totally agree. Nothing in any of his deals scream desperation. Even if they don't pan out, you can cut the chord very easily.
     
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    I don't disagree. Things can't be different at the moment than they are. That's why hindsight is ugly and causes a lot of people stress, especially since a lot of hind sight is formative speculation with people thinking something different should have happened but didn't. But with that said people discussing the merits of an injury changing what may have happened doesn't bother me, but I don't rest laurels on relying on it to feel better about where we are now. Personally I know the team is gonna be pretty bad this year and I am okay with that. It's just part of being a fan, rebuilds are necessary evils.
     
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    You would think if this was true, he would have elected to have his surgery around that time. That is the part that confuses me. Having the surgery done immediately was the wiser move for his long term future.
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    So, how many games did you watch when both Matthews and Afflalo were healthy and playing together? Because that's the team that was performing like the best team in the league; that's the team that looked like a championship contender. Unfortunately, we didn't have that team long enough for anyone to be able to make an educated opinion on them.
     
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