Haywood and Mike Miller to Portland

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  1. 0-Our!

    0-Our! Noob-ish

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    Don't forget, ppl would also complain about HOW (technique, speed, approach, etc.) Neil bent over to snag that $5!:blahblah:
     
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  2. Mediocre Man

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    All im sayin is that had he bent down quicker he may have got $6 instead. Who cares if there were only $5 available.
     
    Mediocre Man, Jul 27, 2015
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    selloutking BALL DON'T LIE!

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    no
    they should both loose
     
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    Good catch.

    You'd think the buyout would affect what the team pays in salary only, but not the cap space. The team does get to stretch the guaranteed amount over 2x the remaining years plus one year; that's cap relief. Also if the player is signed elsewhere, the team gets to offset what it owes. And the team's incentive is to gain back a roster spot.

    The player has no incentive other than to get out of Dodge ASAP. I mean, there's really no incentive for a player to take a big pay cut via a buyout.
     
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    The team can decide if they want to stretch the salary over multiple years or not. With the Blazers having so much space they won't stretch it.

    If Miller were indifferent about playing in Portland or not and had no large earning opportunities elsewhere there would be zero incentive for him to give up money in a buyout. But he can sign a new contract with another team. In Millers case that deal for the minimum would be for $1.5 million. So if he gives up less than that in a buyout and signs elsewhere he will get more total money plus play for the team of his choice.
     
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    This discussion reminds me of the famous hypothetical used by Economists.

    There's $100 sitting on the table. I grab $99, and hand you $1 to shut up and go away. According to the academics,this is a perfectly rational offer and you have no reason to say "no". Hey - it's a free dollar!

    Of course, even the Economists admit that this approach rarely works in real life - but it is a very sound theory!
     
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    We've tried, many many times . He just doesn't like the format of the forum.
     
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  8. SlyPokerDog

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    LOL! I'm go and read it from time to time. There are some people who make some quality posts in there.
     
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    You make the case that a player making near vet minimum might have a little incentive to leave.

    There is a tradeoff of cap space this year for cap space 3 years from now. The Blazers should take the hit this year, of course. Next year, even $500K of cap space ($1.5M stretched 3 years) might matter. I just pointed out the teams CAN get cap relief.
     
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    I used to be the same but at the 'other' you could post something and not get a reply for a couple hours. There is very lil reasonable discussion there. I'd move...and I did. Like the format or not.
     
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    That applies here how?
     
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    I imagine it's, Cavs got 99, we got 1. And though it was "free" people will still complain, because of what the other side got, even though the potential alternative to us was 0 instead of 1 dollar.
     
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    Bingo.
     
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    Slightly different, and more applicable, would be a scenario in which you and I both get nothing unless I choose to give you $99 and take $1 for myself. People are supposedly so offended in reality by the inherent unfairness of the proposition that they would often reject it, I presume?

    It reminds me a lot of "Shark Tank". My son, who is 9, can't understand why so many entrepreneurs on that show hold so tightly to their equity ("I can't give up so much of this product/company I created") that they miss out on the opportunity to partner with these successful billionaires. "Why does it matter that they want 50% of the company?" my son says. "They'll make the company way more successful. These people should be willing to give up however much equity it takes to get a 'shark' on board!"

    Perhaps it's naivete, but I tend to agree with him. A small percentage of something is better than 100% of nothing. I guess that's why I'm not complaining about this deal either.
     
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    I guess I'm confused about how we did Cleveland a huge favor. Couldn't they have dealt Haywood to s team that wants to cut him like Brooklyn? Why is a tpe more valuable?


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    For whom would they have dealt him to Brooklyn? Joe Johnson? They would have had to include another $10M in salary to make that work.
     
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    A) A deal where they took a player back wouldn't have helped their Lux Tax situation.

    B) If disaster strikes (EG Love or Irving getting hurt again) they can use the TPE to add a $10 Mil player even though they are way over the cap.
     
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    And that dollar will benefit a poor person more than the $99 will benefit a wealthy person.
     
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    Thats not even remotely true. You give a homeless man with nothing $1, and he will do what with it? Give a wealthy person $100 and he will invest it and make more, which is why he is wealthy. Then turn around and give to charity for the tax break, thus benefiting the poor man
     
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    Also, the person with $99 is more likely to be robbed, anally raped, and left to die in a dumpster.

    barfo
     
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