I don't know if you realized that's the 2 guys it was or got it right on accident. Id love to work something where the Pistons get Markeiff (reunite the brothers) and Henderson, we get KCP and Dinwiddie and Pheonix Gets picks, cap space, and filler from us. Caldwell-Pope and Aminu would provide lockdown defense at the wings, and KCP is a better shooter than Henderson. If Dinwiddie improves his 3pt efficiency he could be the prefect guy to pair with McCollum since he's 6'6, a good defender, and can gaurd bother positions. Id give Pheonix a 1st rounder and Detroit Henderson for them. KCPs a potential Wesley Matthews type player down the road, and I could see him being better. It'd make it easier to trade for an allstar because we could trade KCP or CJ and keep the other as the future starting 2 gaurd. Or you can stay on the potential track which would be even brighter than it is now.
Detroit already is on the tax at $80 million in salary, your proposed trade would add an additional $10 million in salary. they are very high on KCP and already have Ilyasova for the stretch 4 so I doubt they would consider your proposal. Hendo is also a free agent next year so only a 1 year rental.
"If we were going to just sign a player for the purpose of obtaining assets, then I would rather go the Tristan Thompson route and offer him the max in order to steal him from Cleveland. Then trade him next year. But to be honest I would not even do that. (It's still a better option though iMO) I like Thompson a lot, but the obvious problem with the idea of offering him a max contract is that we might actually "steal him from Cleveland." And Tristan Thompson is not a max contract player. Not now, and probably not ever . . .
they have 18 guys under contract. We'd take garbage players to make it work. I'm not sure they'd accept. But with Jennings, Henderson, the Morris twins and Baynes coming off the bench, that team is making the playoffs. There's a chance they'd listen.
That's why I said I wouldn't do it either. My point is he has more value. We would be adding an asset for nothing but cap space. A player you could trade for another asset once the cap goes up. It comes down to 3 options: Not doing anything with the cap space, waiting for a better deal (that may or may not materialize), or signing a good player to use in a trade later on. Like I said I would pass on him, but compared to taking Morris in a trade,.........I would rather sign Thompson.
Except nobody thinks he's worth a max contract... there's a reason he hasn't signed an offer sheet, and it's because no team wants to pay him that much. So to say that a team would be willing to trade assets for an average player on a max contract is flat out wrong. Instead, we'd be stuck with no flexibility due to a gamble at trading an insanely overpaid player. EDIT: Skipped the first sentence. Still it's not a better option than Morris because TT could screw us and with Morris theres not much downside
we would be sending $8million in cap space to phoenix and taking on $10 million in contracts from Detroit? this would seriously hamper the flexability to do a trade at the deadline for prospects and capspace. they still have to extend Drummond too. which contracts to $10million do you propose from Detroit after KCP and dinwiddie? and a future first? no from our perspective.EDIT we still have to extend leonard too
I think its likely we don't trade over $10M of cap space for someone at the deadline. PHX GETS: 2019 Portland 1st Round Pick (Lotto protected), CLE Future 2nd (top 55 protected), Anthony Tolliver DET GETS: Markeiff Morris, Gerald Henderson, Allen Crabbe POR GETS: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Spencer Dinwiddie, Aaron Gray, Cartier Martin, Reggie Bullock CLE GETS: Danny Granger We send out $7M, get back $7M. No loss of flexibility, get a great young prospect. We cut Gray, Martin, and give Bullock a chance in training camp Pheonix gets a stretch 4 to replace Markeiff, Cap space and a 1st. Cleveland uses the Mike Miller trade exception to get a good 3pt shooting vet in Granger. Detroit sends out a little over $12M, gets back $15M (works), cuts roster from 18 to 14 players, and gets 2 good pieces and young talent in Crabbe to finally make the playoffs
I think a lot of people do, and I find it interesting we haven't bought him out yet like every writer said was going to happen. There's no reason to do that unless you think you can pull off a trade to get a 2nd rounder or even a a crazy one like him and Kaman for Morris. It also seems like it would be more valuable to have him and Kaman on the team as mentors than to just cut him for nothing.
no thanx from Cleveland luxury tax for granger is a no Portland sends out Henderson crabbe and a future first, we get fair value Tolliver in no way replaces Morris at the 4, they have more than enough capspace with morris so doubt this would be perceived as a bonus for them and of little or no value I believe Detroit values KCP as highly as you do, you want Meeks, maybe they consider,but he dings our flexibility for next season as his contract runs through 16/17 all this for a player very similar to Ilyasova without the issues. probably a no here too. I believe Portland gets value in your proposal, but I don't understand why Detroit or Cleveland wants to have anything to do with it EDIT I think Portland values Henderson as a veteran on this young team too too
If Miller can help our bigs make freethrows and our wing players make jump shots, he's valuable. Miller has great shot mechanics
Olshey is a play it safe guy. He likes to tread lightly with many hooks in the water. He has made his plays this summer in my opinion and is gonna wait until we can see who gels with who and that will tell him who he needs to package for a potential deadline trade, but right now there are too many unknowns with too many players currently on the roster. Why start moving pawns in the dark now? wait until the light shines and we see who thrives. For example, we have filled out the bigs positions, but what if they don't gel except maybe Vonleh, and Plumlee? Kamaan cant give significant minutes and be effective and if you take Davis out of the picture cause he isn't fitting in for some reason, all of a sudden a once stacked biog line up is thin and we need to focus on that. Likewise can be said of the guards. We really have no clue who is and who isn't gonna work well together, and until we do, you hold pat and see how the current moves pan out before you do much more.
Then we can take Granger and cut him. That leaves Detroit. If Pheonix only wants cap space then trade Detroit the first. I think Detroit might try to do it to get back to the playoffs in a weak eastern conference. Jackson / Jennings Meeks / Henderson Johnson / Marcus Ilyasova / Markeiff Drummond / Baynes That's a playoff team
