Politics What sides of Political fence do you sit on?

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What side(s) of Political Fence do you sit on?

Poll closed Aug 30, 2015.

  1. Liberal on social views, Liberal on economic views

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    50.0%

  2. Conservative on social views, Conservative on economic views

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  3. Liberal on Social views, Conservative on economic views

    7 vote(s)
    31.8%

  4. Conservative on Social views, Liberal on economic views

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  5. ANARCHY!

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    4.5%
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  1. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Yep, and every corporation is just like Boeing, they are all investing in new airliners this year. None of them is generating any cash at all. And they never have. Capitalism is a complete sham.

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    No, in barfoland they're printing presses that just print money for the government to spend.

    In reality, there are three sets of books a company runs by:

    1) To show investors (profit! profit! profit!)
    2) To show the IRS (losses! losses! losses!)
    3) To run the day to day business (cash flow).

    Yeah, barfo, companies do use accrual accounting methods. It's by the book. Maybe some do cash accounting, but they're not going to be listed on any stock exchange.

    By the way, Boeing contributed $8 BILLION to the pension fund for its employees. It was not taxed, but it will be when the employees retire and withdraw from the fund. Their "profit" was reduced by this $8B for tax purposes.

    Sure, give that money to the government instead! The government makes everyone's lives better.

    The market cap of the entire NYSE is $20T. Obama borrowed half that much. Yep, enough money to buy 1/2 of all the companies on the NYSE, lock stock and barrel.

    Hell, if Bernie seized Apple and sold it to the Chinese, it wouldn't even cover a year's deficit.
     
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    Shhhhhhhhhhh! Shut up with the high risk crap, you're going to make the banks lose their ultra low interest rates from the feds.
     
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    Now I know you're just fucking with me. You almost had me.

    Dude, that crazy socialist Sanders wants to Reinstate Glass-Steagall Act!

    We can't have that.

    Say it with me now....

    I like big banks and I can not lie!

     
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    I don't care if banks are big or not. All I really care is the government not interfere or play favorites.

    Say it with me now...

    Government isn't the solution to problems, it's the cause of problems.
     
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    Roughly 14% of student loans are in default by about $15K each. The interest rate is ~6%. The loans are unsecured.

    Roughly 6% of mortgages are in default. The interest rate is ~4% for those with awesome credit history AND the loan is secured by property.

    Boo hoo?
     
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    Student loans were 3% just a few years ago. Congress allowed the rate to double to 6%.

    Student loans are one of the only loans you can not wipe in bankruptcy.
     
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    As the rates increased, the defaults decreased.

    Seems like a good thing.

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    That's all very amusing, but not a cogent argument. Your claim that only an additional $74B can be obtained via corporate taxes has been debunked.

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    More libertarian bullcrap. Go to Somalia if you don't want government. The "free" market is some bullshit. There is absolutely no such thing. These corporations in these banks have it rigged in their favor. For you to act like they don't is just a crock...
     
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    The more times you say it doesn't make it true. Education should not be for profit. There I go being the Ying to your yang. You mean to tell me that it's better for students to have a higher interest rates... Wow... It's amazing how these libertarians think... You never answered my question before: when has libertarianism ever worked on this planet?
     
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    You can't have it both ways Denny. You can't say that government is the cause of all the problems and then in the other breath say that them doubling interest rates on students was a good thing.
     
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    My boy John SCHOOLS you here. And his investigation team is probably the best in the business. And don't write it off as comedy either that's a cop out:

    [/QUOTE]
     
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    More like buried in your bunk.

    There's $2.1T in offshore profits, total, accrued by ALL the corporations over several years. Since 2004, in fact. 35% of that is ~$700B. $70B/year over the 10 year period.

    You can make up numbers all you want. They're just bunk.
     
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    I do want government. Only that we require and no more.

    There isn't a free market because of government interference.

    Government makes the tax code. You want more of it, yet complain about it. :crazy:
     
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    A clown is your source. Awesome.
     
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    Government didn't double the rates. Nobody forces anyone to take out one of these loans.
     
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    A clown is your source. Awesome.[/QUOTE]

    Hilarious how you will do just like most trolls do and shoot the messenger. Watch the frigging video. I bet you don't. He actually has an investigative team that does his work. Watch the video and educate yourself. Also that's not my source. That's just the source that can put it into layman's terms so libertarians can understand. Like I said watch the video. I knew you would cop out...
     
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