9 year old killed doing homework

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  1. bodyman5000 and 1

    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    Huh? They left the gun there? The government can trace bullets back to guns without the gun to match it to?

    I read in the story that it was next door to a house with a sign that said something about "we need to stop killing each other"

    It doesn't matter now but I hope it wasn't some sicko trying to prove a point of some kind.
     
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    Every gun has the identification of the bullet after it leaves the chamber. There are no two guns alike. When a new gun is made, the manufacturer fires a round and identifies the bullet to the serial number of that specific gun.
     
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    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    How long have they done that?
     
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    How odd. I guess that could serve as a diversion for you while you cope with your loss. Devoting your time to something so completely unrelated to his murder.

    I'd find the creep and kill him, but people deal with grief in different ways.
     
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    Instead of removing the guns from honest people, why not train more honest people how to properly handle guns?

    Israel is in a very dangerous part of the world.
    The number of firearm related deaths is 3 ½ times higher in the USA (3.55 per 100M) than in Israel (.94 per 100M).

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    All Israel soldiers must carry their weapons at all times, even when on leave.
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    the 9 year old couldn't have stopped this if he had a weapon or training. Even experienced folks don't expect to be shot at by a driveby gangster on their way to the mailbox. Arming everyone in my view would escalate shootings. The preferred weapon Israeli's fear is not gunfire but bombs
     
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    Switzerland is similar. Both of these countries have mandatory service requirements for their populations though. I don't support that at all but the arms training would really help. Also you have to factor in that gun culture is much different in urban areas than it is in rural areas.
     
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    and increase accidents. More guns means more accidents, even if more people are properly trained.
     
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    Respectfully agree with most of your post, but fixed it for you.
    Removed last sentence as irreverent and change of subject unrelated to criminal activity.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
    notice the lack of homicides or gun related deaths in Taiwan and the UK..both countries that don't allow firearms or ammo to be purchased ..the UK only allows hunting gear but no personal protection weaponry...the countries with the highest fatality rates are Honduras, Columbia, Brazil to name a few...weapons are everywhere
     
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    Your mention of Taiwan brings up a very interesting point.

    Yes the USA has over 10 times as many murders using guns vs Taiwan (only about 5,000 old legal guns in private ownership).
    However, the murder rate in Taiwan (3 per 100M) is very close to the USA (4.7 per 100M)
    People are still murdered in Taiwan, but with other weapons than guns.

    The UK started strict weapons control ownership starting in 1181, predating guns.
    The first UK gun control was the 1508 act.
    There have been many laws passed in the UK since then that have strictly controlled gun ownership over many centuries.

    In contrast the first gun ownership control in the USA was in 1934. The National Firearms Act of 1934 regulating only fully automatic firearms like sub-machine guns
     
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    interesting, but seeing as Taiwan has 23 million people and the US has over 300 mill the stat per 100 mill looks different. I lived in Taiwan for almost 20 years and most fatalities were student suicides over failing the national test for college entrance. Central Taiwan has the Bamboo Triad and those guys like machete's but I only saw one incident myself in two decades. I've seen a lot more here in 40 plus years. I was robbed in downtown Denver in the
    70s by 3 kids each with a handgun..they got my 14 dollars and my bag of groceries. Unheard of in Taiwan Almost all the murders in Taiwan are Triad cases between rivals. Rare that innocents are targeted.
     
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    My experience in Taiwan is much less time than yours, only 10 days on business. But agree, I felt safe everywhere I went, even when sneaking out on my own in small back alleys with vendors, and I do not speak their language.

    Truthfully, there are many parts of Mexico where I feel safer than here in Vancouver, WA.

    The link below is what I used for the murder rates with all weapons by country. It will be easier for you to find Taiwan and the USA if you click on the rate arrow. This should put the countries in order. I am not sure if suicides are counted in these totals?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
     
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    All I see is a bunch of people walking around with mags out. What good is that gun if someone started shooting right then?
     
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    They have loaded magazines with them. Either in a pouch on the stock (you can see the pouch straps on some) or on their person somewhere such as a purse. It would not take them long to load and fire.

    The off duty soldiers often carry their weapon unloaded in public, probably a safety rule to prevent accidents, but that is just my guess.
     
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    Hard to compare this country to Israel given the wars they've had with their neighbors for decades. When you're born and raised in a war zone, Armed soldiers in the streets is the norm. I'll pass on that place
     
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    Agree.

    If you think about it, to be fair, comparing the issues and stats we have here in the USA with any other country does not make a lot of sense.

    We have a special kind of wild critter to tame in the USA, with no experienced tamers. I wish I add a better answer, I don’t. I am just trying to make people think a little before making un-informed knee jerk opinions.

    I have a bullet hole in the side of my house. The shot came from next door when it was a drug house. I spent two years without much sleep and in a constant state of fear and tension. It was not a good time. The only thing that made me feel safe in my home was my guns. I believe my reputation in the neighborhood of being a very good hunter and expert shooter kept the criminals that were flooding through next door off of my property.
     
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    I think if I were in any middle eastern hot zone seeing a gun wouldn't bother me as much as seeing a backpack
     
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    Taiwan has, and uses, the death penalty. This eliminates most likely repeat offenders, more than accounting for the difference.
     
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    What difference? We also use the death penalty as do Columbia, Brasil, El Salvadore and Honduras with much higher homicide rates
     

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