Politics Hillary is done

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  1. XuLouDon

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    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...se-against-enforcing-immigration-laws/387004/


    Being pompous couldn't be too much of a drawback if you're a fan of Donald Trump. Not everyone, but yes, a certain percentage of the people that Donald Trump appeals to - because of who he is, what he says and how he says it - are being willfully and purposefully stupid.

    I didn't aim to argue or offend you man, I just thought thought you had an odd contrast and couldn't help but question it.

    I'll shut up now, and hope anger and angst isn't the reason we have Donald Trump for president in a year and some months.
     
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  2. Further

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    I am in total disagreement with just about every stance Trump has taken, but even so I actually understand very well the lure he has. Pompous, a dick, knee jerk, whatever you want to call him, at least he is turning one of the entrenched parties on its head. Likewise Sanders is thumbing his nose at the establishment Dems. Both of them can at least shake up the extreemly bought and paid for political system in America. I can totally understand rooting for Trump, because that's also rooting for a change in the status quo. Sometimes any change is preferable to the same old bullshit.

    Elizabeth Warren please
     
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  3. riverman

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    The only reason I'd root for Trump is that he'll get swept if he makes it to the finals
     
  4. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    I'm no fan of Trump. Like Further, I understand his appeal.

    He's not a moron.

    The anti-immigrant thing appeals to people on the left and right. Obama proudly reports his administration has rounded up and deported 2M "illegals." To some, Obama can do no wrong!

    His 14th argument has real merit.

    Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Subject to the jurisdiction thereof does qualify things. A slave was subject to the jurisdiction of the state he lived. A visitor from France is not subject to any such jurisdiction.

    Anyhow, I don't agree with much of what he says. If it were up to me, there'd be no wall, no requirement for a passport to cross the Mexican border, and no such thing as "illegal" immigrant. If we have a free country, the borders should be open and free.
     
  5. Stevenson

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    It's so hard to take this "scandal" seriously. The right has spent so much time smearing her that separating the wheat from the chaff is almost impossible at this point. They are like the boy who cried wolf one time too many. They are just looking for something, anything, to pin to her, that's it. And truly, I don't want to vote for her, but gimme a break.

    Oooh, she used the wrong server!
     
  6. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Actually based on your assessment I'd say you've got exactly the right words for how stupid Americans might be.
     
  7. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    USAToday for the win!

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...email-server-fbi-editorials-debates/31992283/
    Clinton email controversy is no joke: Our view
    Presidential candidate can laugh all she wants, but FBI investigations can't be dismissed.
    USA Today Editorial Board

    In 2009, when soon-to-be Secretary of State Hillary Clinton first broached the idea of running her work email through a private server at her home in Chappaqua, N.Y., the concept should have been dismissed as laughable.

    But it wasn't, and for reasons more likely having to do with control than convenience, Clinton went ahead with the plan. Now that top secret information, intelligence agency inspectors general, the FBI and federal judges are involved, the matter is far from amusing.

    Clinton, though, seems to think she can dismiss the controversy by making light of it. Earlier this month in Iowa, the presidential candidate joked to a crowd of Democratic Party faithful about sending future communications over the app Snapchat, which famously makes text and photos disappear soon after they are viewed. At a testy press availability on Tuesday, Clinton went for the laugh line again after being asked whether her email server had been wiped clean. "Like with a cloth?" she replied, adding that nobody talks to her about the email controversy except reporters.

    Maybe she doesn't get asked about it at tightly controlled town meetings, but the episode raises serious questions about the Democratic front-runner's decision-making and commitment to openness in government. One of the many reasons that it was a bad idea to mix personal and business messages is well known to anyone with an email account: As hard as you might try, you can't control what comes into your inbox. And if you're the secretary of State, that's inevitably going to include some sensitive information.

    Last week, a Justice Department national security investigation kicked into higher gear after intelligence agency officials determined that top secret information had indeed passed through the private email account. The FBI has taken control of the server and thumb drives storing backup data. The number of potentially classified emails involved jumped from a handful to more than 300, according to a State Department count filed in federal court. A federal judge overseeing a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit said, "We wouldn't be here today if this employee" — Clinton — "had followed government policy."

    Clinton's stance has evolved from saying that no classified material passed through her private account (March), to saying she didn't send or receive anything that was classified at the time (last month), to saying she didn't send any material that was explicitly marked or designated classified (last week).

    More vast right wing conspiracy stuff at the link :)
     
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  9. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Powell used government email servers. he didn't run a private foundation that received donations from foreign diplomats and leaders while Secy of State.

    You can't wish it away.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    He's the difference. Hilary did, which opens the can of worms. The other two you mentioned can't be tried for any security issues because there is nothing to use.
     
  11. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Powell was not subject to government rules that were enacted in 2005 and 2009 which Hillary violated. He wasn't Secy of State in 2005.
     
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    Obama administration kinda shot themselves I. The foot on that one! Haha
     
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    Powell used a private email account for some of his correspondence. As Denny said, the rules in effect then were not the same as the ones Hillary was subject to. Powell also did NOT have his own email server that he maintained his correspondence on so that he could control access to its contents.
     
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    http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/hillary-clinton-hacked-emails-sale/


    Just as email-gate looked to be winding down, RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned a person claiming to be a computer specialist has come forward with the stunning news that 32,000 emails from Hillary Clinton‘s private email account are up for sale. The price tag — a whopping $500,000!

    Promising to give the trove of the former Secretary of State’s emails to the highest bidder, the specialist is showing subject lines as proof of what appear to be legitimate messages.

    Radar has learned that some of the topics discussed in the email appear to include everything from Benghazi to the Algerian hostage crisis — with subject lines such as:

    “H Libya security latest. Sid” (with attachment)
    “H FYI, best analysis so far of hearing Sid,’ about the latest security
    in Libya”
    “H Algeria latest French Intel on Algeria hostage Sid”
    “H Latest French Intel in Algeria hostage Sid” (with attachment)
    “H Latest Libya intel internal govt discussions high level” (with
    attachment)
    “H HIGHLY IMPORTANT! Comprehensive Intel Report on (with attachment)”

    Warns the insider, “If these emails get out to the public domain, not only is Hillary finished as a potential Presidential nominee, she could put our country’s national security at risk.”
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Poor Hilary fans... It's like the world has crushed around them
     
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    Hilary was never getting my vote but you're sort of predicting a blowout during pregame warmups. I think Trump has you on the take...
     
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    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    *ahem*

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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    I think Hilary won't even get a chance to run against Trump.
     
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    I agree and also think Trump will not end up in the finals..no need to elaborate mags, I know you have him on your fantasy team
     
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