Black People can't be racist

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  1. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    What I find annoying is to be constantly identified as a "white male," to have my thoughts and opinions to be processed under the label "white man's opinion." When you type something on this forum, I don't sit back and think "Dviss is a black male so I must consider this opinion through the lens of a black male." I read your opinion, I process your opinion on its own merits, and then I reply to said opinion. I don't care if you're black, or white, or Asian, or Mexican, or whatever. Your opinion is what it is. The beauty of the internet is that we don't have to tell people anything about ourselves. We present our opinions in text format and you can either agree or disagree. I actually don't think about race at all when I'm reading someone's post. Mags is Asian. Wheels is Mexican. El Pres is some weird mixture of a frat boy and a wannabe gangster (but also Asian.) I don't sit back and consider that every time I read their posts. I either think it was a good post, or a bad post. I either agree, or I disagree. There shouldn't be qualifiers to have an opinion.
     
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    As you say, we only know what others are willing to disclose. For some reason, I assumed for years that you were black. Just shows to go ya...
     
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    It's hard for white people to even engage in these conversations. I know most the time I just try to avoid them. Not because I don't want to learn more, but because I feel like no matter what ill say, I get labeled a white male and am treated like I'm a horrible person that's a moron.

    I might be ignorant about a lot of things, andI agree I probably should listen to others experiences more and try to have empathy for them, but I'm definitely not a moron
     
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    Lucky for you that you're a white person and have the privilege to ignore those discussions.
     
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    True, but the process of educating people is wrong when you make them feel like shit for something they don't even know they are doing or is happening. Educating people is one thing. Shaming them and making them feel bad when they want the world to be a more inclusive place is another
     
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    Ever seen Marine boot camp? Gotta break 'em down before you build 'em back up. We evil white people need to be shamed in order to be divested of all our white-privilege-based preconceptions, and then start from scratch learning what it's like to be a non-white living in a white man's world. The longer you fight it, the longer you'll persist in your oppressive privileged perspective. Just accept that everything that you think you know is wrong, and then start from there--you'll be better for it.
     
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    And that's the thing. I'm white, but I'm mostly Irish and 1/8 native American. I've been raised and have had many discussions with people that explain stories of my relatives being treated like shit. but when someone sees me now and we have this discussion, they shame the shit out of me for not knowing what this feels like. I agree, myday to day life is unaffected by racial things, but it doesn't mean it hasn't affected my family
     
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    I go through long stretches where I avoid OT. I'm actually contemplating retirement from RC2 and just letting the youth movement take over..sort of the old guy around here like Kaman on the Blazers roster. Politics, race, religion...touchy subjects
     
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    What I find ridiculous is to discount someone's opinion based solely on the color of their skin. That goes for white or black or whatever. We have no clue what someone has been through. To marginalize someone's life and tell them that their white privilege discounts what they have gone though is beyond ignorant.
     
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    Nah, stick around. I've been posting with this community since I was 14, so for the past 15 years. Sometimes it wears you out. But I enjoy reading your takes, even if we disagree sometimes. Just take a break for a couple weeks or something. In a month, bball will start again and we will all be best buddies dropping hoops knowledge
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    That's the part that I don't understand. I was raised to be proud of my heritage, but it had nothing to do with being white. My grandfather is 100% Norwegian. I was raised to be proud of that. My dad has a bunch of different ties, with some French, English, Irish, and German. I think it's cool to look into your family tree and find out about your roots. I think it's totally fine to be proud of your ancestry. What I can't really fathom is being proud of being white, or black for that matter. It's just a physical feature. You being white doesn't reflect on your Native American heritage. People just assume because you're white that you fit into that one category. It's silly.
     
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    Ok, here it is.

    One half of what I see is one young Black fellow out to resist the police. Probably a set up with the minor infraction just to provoke the confrontation. Although Al Sharpton is out of view.
    The other half is, the police following their training. insisting their commands be followed. The force escalates as the commands are not followed.

    I don't know what to do for the Kid, other than his father should have taught him to not fuck with the police, bad things will happen. But then, I don't know, maybe dad did his duty and Al Sharpton lead the kid astray.

    As far as the police are concerned, I do not like the training they receive. I recall some years ago when the police in some city, shot a mentally disabled man. The explanation was, the man did not follow lawful commands issued by the police and the police are correct to insist that their commands be followed. But then on the other hand, in another city, a bear was running loose in the city. The police did not issue some bull shit command to the the bear, no, their pulled out the dart gun and tranquilized the bear and took him where he belonged.

    Now, issuing commands and expecting rational behavior in response from and irrational person is very irrational. Or piss poor training.

    I have long thought that the police policy and training (all over this country) should be on a multilevel approach with that hard ass level be the last resort. Yes it might take a different sort of cop and it sure would require different training.
     
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    Your house isn't on fire. A white male isn't killed by police/vigilantes every 28 hours.
     
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    I find it funny that those who are against government control think the Police are OK in exhibiting that control.

     
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    ^^^^^ this has NOTHING to do with police training...
     
  16. MarAzul

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    Ha! Are you disabled?
     
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    More shit MarAzul would NEVER have to deal with...

    http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/ar...lderly-man-for-walking-in-seattle-while-black

    On July 9, 2014, a brilliant summer day, William Wingate was walking through Capitol Hill.

    The 70-year-old Air Force veteran and retired King County Metro bus driver had a daily habit of walking and using a golf club like a cane, according to his attorney, Susan Mindenbergs. He typically walked from Northgate to the Central District, where he would pick up copies of the Facts newspaper.

    But at about 1 p.m., shortly after Seattle police officer Cynthia Whitlatch turned the corner past The Stranger's offices, she pulled over her patrol car, got out, and yelled at Wingate to drop his golf club.

    The incident was caught on her vehicle's dash-cam video recording system and obtained byThe Stranger through a public records request. Their interaction begins at the 1:40 mark:

     
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    Okay dude, you have seriously crossed the line with @riverman

    So are you saying just because he's white and experienced police brutality, it's not the same as a black man and police brutality?

    So you remember watching the white teenage boy that flashed his brights at a cop that had his brights on get shot and killed by the cop? So that's okay because he wasn't black?
     
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    I know a lot of black friends that would be shaking their heads at your ignorance
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Very well said....
     
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