Black People can't be racist

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  1. riverman

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    I would hope humanity would identify with a progressive movement away from racial tensions and it will take education and cooperation for us to plant those seeds and maintain a healthier society for future generations. I also am proud of the steps we've made even though it's a work in progress. Being able to discuss it here is a really good thing.
     
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    Dviss1 misinterprets what people here are saying and then overreacts. I'm not going to change my opinion just because someone gets irrationally offended by harmless comments.
     
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    Black guy has a white guy jump in his car. He uses his concealed handgun to hold he guy until the cops arrive. There was zero issue with the police. They even shake his hand.

     
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    Thats impossible. EVERY SINGLE black person is targetted I thought?
     
  5. Mediocre Man

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    Any black person born after December 6, 1865 were never slaves either.

    Maybe we can stop playing that card?
     
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  6. Denny Crane

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    No, we can't stop playing that "card."

    This is for the irish guy.

    https://www.opendemocracy.net/beyondslavery/liam-hogan/‘irish-slaves’-convenient-myth

    The conflation of indentured servitude with chattel slavery in the ‘Irish slaves’ narrative whitewashes history in the service of Irish nationalist and white supremacist causes. Its resurgence in the wake of Ferguson reflects many Americans’ denial of the entrenched racism still prevalent in their society.

    Read it.


    As for Indians...

    They were friends with the white man for centuries before Grant's time. There were tensions, sure, but until the massacres of the 1800s, they were overall friends with white settlers.

    The massacres and other mistreatment of the indians were a horrible part of our history and should not be viewed as acceptable (or whatever) by any stretch.

    That said, when herded onto reservations, they were FREE. The government made treaties with them, even if they failed to live up to them. The indians were allowed to govern themselves. The treatment was not of slaves, nor was there a long history of Jim Crow directed at them.

    From day 1, european governments treated the indians like sovereign nations. And to this day, the USA still does. Along with native hawaiians, they are considered nations within our nation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_recognition_in_the_United_States

    Native American recognition in the United States most often refers to the process of a tribe being recognized by the United States federal government, or to a person being granted membership to a federally recognized tribe. There are 566 federally recognized tribal governments in the United States. Non-Acknowledged Tribes are tribes which have no federal designation as sovereign entities. Federally Non-Recognized tribes refers to a subgroup of non-acknowledged tribes which had some sort of recognition by the British prior to the formation of the United States or by the United States but which were determined by the government to no longer exist as an Indian tribe or no longer meet the criteria for a nation to nation status.[1][2][3]

    The United States recognizes the right of these tribes to self-government and supports their tribal sovereignty and self-determination.
     
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    Denny, you can find things on Google to support your stances always. Go check out the book "white cargo"

    And I think having ancestors that actually went through these things kinda trumps whatever link you provide. But I'm sure you'll beg to differ. But keep on keeping on. I wouldn't expect any less from you
     
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    Almost every treaty the USA government made with the Indians was broken, by the USA government.

    In recent times, there have been many disputes over Indian treaty rights. After many decades of the USA government abusing treaty rights, the Indians have learned to use our legal system to defend their rights. The Indians have won almost ever legal battle to maintain their treaty rights.

    The fight by the Native American Indians to maintain rights granted to them in treaties is still being fought to this day.

    Also, after the USA government took the land from the Indians, the Native American Indian children where forced to attend schools that did not allow them to speak their native language. Even their native names where taken away and replaced with Euro names. That is not freedom.


    Fact: The USA government waged war on the Native American Indians, the longest war in USA history.

    Are you saying genocide is better than slavery?
     
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    Ask native Americans and Hawaiians if they feel like a "nation within our nation" and you'd likely get your ass kicked
     
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    What about all of those Japanese and Chinese immigrants who worked on plantations in Hawaii. How about when the Japanese were sent to Internment camps, is that not slavery?
     
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    I think real racism will start when we discover a race of people that taste like chicken.

    Wait, maybe that is tastism.
     
  12. Denny Crane

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    Sure, a lot of people were done wrong. How you deal with reparations (for the Japanese) or other compensation for harms done in the past depends on the situations, obviously.

    No irishman today in the USA is poorly treated. Side with stormfront if you dare.

    The attempt to diminish the ongoing poor treatment of black people is just sad.
     
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    Wrong, my last name is very Irish and I get shit for it from Random people in various places.

    I'm not diminishing the treatment of black people, or the treatment of anyone that is discriminated against. People are dumb, good news is each generation gets better.
     
  14. Denny Crane

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    I don't see people collecting data on irish on irish crime... Or how many irish incarcerated... and so on.

    You can figure out why, or ignorance is bliss.
     
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    Getting shit really isn't the same thing. "Oh you're Irish, you must be a drunk!" "Oh your Chinese, you must be good at math and a bad driver."

    I posted a couple of things in the Maris thread that I've witnessed first hand directed at family members. That's racism.
     
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    They collect that data on white on white, white on Latino, Asian on black too Denny.

    But thanks for trying to continuously marginalize my experience with discrimination with Irish and native American blood.

    Seems as if you're part of the problem yourself
     
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    But not irish on irish. Or italian on italian. Because they consider them all part of the dominant white "race." Because they are.

    The worst part of Irish treatment over the years was being treated like Mexican and "illegal" immigrants today. Treated like dirt.

    I'm part of the solution.
     
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    Lol I could just as easily say that's discrimination and that I don't associate with other white races.

    Irish people werent allowed to eat at establishments and were called white 'n' words. Thats far worse than what you claim
     
  19. riverman

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    This is getting way off track. I'm going to call bullshit on Denny's assertion that Native Americans were friendly with conquistadors and european invaders for centuries before Grant was president. That is literally lumping together thousands of tribes as pro european settlement. Read the march to the monteria by B. Traven and you'll see how the locals were enslaved by the Scottish logwood pirates and hung in the trees upside down so they wouldn't escape at night ..often with tongues removed so they wouldn't plot revolt. You make it sound like the indigenous people just threw a party when the whites showed up. White slavery has occurred throughout history mostly during the Ottoman and Roman empire periods. I posted a link to the history of racism if you backtrack a page or two here that explains how Irish, Poles, Jews and Italians were not considered fully white because they were not protestant. You can read on that link about the Native American laws and relocation, Japanese interment, South African apartheid, Rhodesia, Australian racial history...on and on...in a nutshell, history is ugly and complicated when it comes to race relations. It should also be pointed out that africans hunted and sold slaves to Dutch, English and Spanish merchants to be relocated to the new world. Treatment of black culture in America in 2015 is not fair...but it's improved and hopefully will improve more.
     
  20. Denny Crane

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    The spanish were brutal to the indians from day 1. I was talking about the french and english. The indians fought with the french and with the british in the French and Indian War. While there were a number of conflicts between the two peoples (colonists, indians) during the first 300+ years, there wasn't any sort of all out warfare between the two. The indians helped colonists survive, showed them how to grow corn, showed them passages through the mountains to reach the pacific, etc.

    We celebrate Thanksgiving to this day, a holiday that is a tribute to peace between settlers and indians. An actual party when the whites showed up!

    Before the massacres of the 1800s, the indians were more likely to be raided and massacred by other indian tribes.

    It is what it is.
     
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