Black People can't be racist

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  1. e_blazer

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    Yep.

    The value is an equal share to those that qualify at the time reparations are agreed upon.
     
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    So if you pay out reparations to people with relatives who were slaves, do you pay out reparations to Native Americans?
     
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    But that's my point. Your response to my story wasn't empathetic at all. You simply respond with it happens to everyone and here's my story. That doesn't bring us together. So when you say people like you and I need to come together to stop it, the way you go about it is counterproductive.
     
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    White privilege doesn't mean you didn't have to work for what you have. It has never meant that.
     
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    There's no way the first black president could, would, or should give reparations. That would have to be a White person at the helm. Conversely we don't want them anyway. We simply want equal opportunity. Unfortunately, that is the hardest thing to achieve.
     
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    There is no equal opportunity without reparations.

    Whites benefitted from free labor for centuries. If black slaves were freed and equal opportunity provided from day 1, whites started from that point with the huge advantage and blacks from centuries behind.

    http://gawker.com/what-reparations-in-america-could-look-like-1633066247

    The Pew Research Center estimates that white households are worth roughly 20 times as much as black households, and that whereas only 15 percent of whites have zero or negative wealth, more than a third of blacks do.

    The income gap between black and white households is roughly the same today as it was in 1970. Patrick Sharkey, a sociologist at New York University, studied children born from 1955 through 1970 and found that 4 percent of whites and 62 percent of blacks across America had been raised in poor neighborhoods. A generation later, the same study showed, virtually nothing had changed.

    The latest census figures show that in 2013, the median black household earned just under $35,000, while the median white household earned more than $58,000. The black unemployment rate has been twice as high as the white unemployment rate for the past 50 years. These are not random economic fluctuations. When you enslave people, steal their labor, and then oppress them for countless generations afterwards, the economic effects persist.
     
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    No it's a dive bar that has decent food. Ran by idiots. There's no reason to go. Lol. I was gonna say if you'd been there you may have seen me there DJ'ing and running karaoke.
     
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    This post just made MarAzul's head explode.
     
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    I'm sure you're right with respect to its accepted meaning in the discussion of black issues in this country. I suspect that for a sizable portion of the white population hearing black people talk about white privilege, that thought is front and center. Sometimes being "privileged" doesn't seem all that privileged when you're struggling to make ends meet and feeling like the system has never cut you much of a break either. Doesn't mean that there still isn't privilege relative to the black community, but it needs to be borne in mind when discussing the topic.
     
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    How do you figure? Reparations is a nice thought, but it doesn't magically fix everything. How many of the millions of blacks in the United States can prove direct relation to slavery? What about the rest of black Americans? What about the other people that could use a leg up?

    Honestly, do you think reparations would do more for this country than spending trillions on infrastructure, education, and jobs? Give a man a fish and you feed him for a night, teach him to fish etc etc etc?
     
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    Hawaiians are supposed to get 5 acres but it takes supposedly 99 years to get it and in the meantime, the land is leased to golf courses, hotels, etc....There are a lot of homeless Hawaiians who have not benefited from their 5 acres and maybe, their great grandchildren will get them someday
     
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    Uhhhh maybe because it had nothing to do with the Irish there buddy.
     
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    I believe the first place to start working on race equality is at the very foundation, our schools.

    Until equal numbers of each race complete high school, and also all levels of college, equality in the workplace, income, and personal wealth will never happen.

    I do not have a clue how to fix our schools to make that happen.
     
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    I think reparations are fair. I think the folks who bought and owned slaves for 3 centuries here are responsible for making things right..3 centuries of slave.ry..also the african slave traders who sold them to the merchants for 14 centuries are as responsible if not more responsible.
     
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    It's completely preposterous for taxpayers today to pay for reparations.
     
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    The rest of black americans are owed $0 because their ancestors' labor wasn't stolen.

    http://www.myslaveancestors.com - people can and do trace their lineage to slaves.

    Reparations IS teaching them how to fish. It is granting them the same access to the fisheries as everyone else has enjoyed all along.

    We have already spent tens of $trillions on infrastructure, education, jobs, and poverty programs. Why double down on failed results?

    Anyone not a descendant of slaves isn't part of this reparations discussion. "What about _______?" is misdirection.
     
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    I think it's fair if families that owned and profited from slavery paid reparations to each slave decent they were responsible for enslaving. I don't have an answer but like Denny said, we spend money on some really useless shit that doesn't help us here on the homefront all the time. I don't have an answer for this problem. We made steps in the Native American treaties we've broken over the course of history but not all of them for sure.
     
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    Of course taxpayers pay the reparations. We all benefit indirectly from centuries of progress began with slave labor. The government is the responsible party.

    The precedent is there. The government paid reparations to the Japanese and to a number of indian tribes.
     
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