Black People can't be racist

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  1. Denny Crane

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    A certain small percentage was brought by force.

    They were freed and given freedom dues (reparations).

    What else you got?
     
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    That's not completely accurate, when the British were setting up tobacco plantations on the east coast they found indentured servitude was much better than slavery. A person would work for X amount of years and then be given a tract of land for them to live and farm on. Slavery... well I hope I don't need to explain what slavery is.
     
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    Man! Rakes are expensive! I need my rake reparations!!! :MARIS61:
     
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    Wrote a song bout' it!!!
     
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    Wrote or looted?
     
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    Sure, some of them were indentured servants. But they wete treated like absolute garbage. And raped, then the children were turned into slaves. Some were forced against their wills. Is that still indentured servants?
     
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    Sorry Denny, but the cold harsh truth is given the terrible conditions, many of these people wouldn't live to see freedom dues because they would die due to the conditions and beatings they took
     
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    Its an ames jackson rake. NOT a laughing matter. It doesnt matter that he used it to do my lawn for almost a full year while I was in the hospital. Its my rake, damnit.
     
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    And you're right, the historian said a small part were forced. He then goes on to say a larger portion were deceived and lied to
     
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    Just read up on some reparation proposals for black Americans talk. Here was a proposal made in 2008. For those blacks who wish to remain in America, they should receive reparations in the form of free education, free medical, free legal and free financial aid for 50 years with no taxes levied," and "For those desiring to leave America, every black person would receive a million dollars or more, backed by gold, in reparation.

    I actually think that's a good plan
     
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    If you think you deserve reparations, file a suit. That is how the indians and japanese got theirs.

    I think the reason there is no suit or talk of reparations for indentured servants is because all but a tiny fraction agreed to become indentured servants. Deceived or not.

    If you go through the calculations I did for african slaves, maybe 500,000 x 5 years x 365 x 10 hrs x $7.25 / 36.9M

    About $1500 each.

    Go for it.

    Edit: they already received reparations in the form of freedom dues.
     
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    The problem with that line of thinking is that the african slaves contributed vast sums of sweat equity in building the nation. They have every right to both be paid for their labor and to enjoy the benefits of living in the place they built.

    Just as white people did from the beginning.

    Unlike white people, the descendents of slaves do not benefit from the wealth generated by the slave labor and how it was passed down for generations and with compounding interest.

    The point of reparations is to make them whole.
     
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    They would have the choice. Free medical care, tuition, etc and no taxes due for 50 years could be more than $1 million dollars and a ticket out of the US.
     
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    it is just a fucked up idea.

    I am amazed that anyone would think it has merit.
     
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    This is a great read.

    http://weeklysift.com/2014/05/26/ta-nehisi-coates-goes-there-reparations/

    Taking it personally. On the surface, I have a good case for claiming that this all has nothing to do with me: My family never owned slaves, hired convict labor, or profited from real-estate scams targeting urban blacks. I was a working-class kid who entered the professional class on his own merit, by getting an education that led to a high-paying job.

    But look again. My town’s public high school did well by me. I went to a state university in an era when tuition covered only a fraction of the cost. My Ph.D. was paid for by the National Science Foundation. So, sure, I worked for what I have. But I also had help every step of the way.

    Now consider: What if my family had been red-lined into a neighborhood with crummy schools? Maybe I never step on that educational escalator to begin with. And what if generations of hard knocks had hammered home the point that even when people like me work hard and play by the rules, somebody just invents a new rule to take it all away from us? Under those circumstances, do I really stick it out all the way to a Ph.D? Or do I grab the first shiny career-bauble that shows up?

    Finally: My sister and I just sold the small farm that our grandfather bought in the 1920s. For each of us, that sale put the capstone on a retirement plan. And why shouldn’t it? Grandpa took a risk and worked hard, and my father worked hard after him. Why shouldn’t we benefit?

    But family lore tells of a crisis during the Depression. Failing crops weren’t paying the bills, and new bank loans were out of the question now that Grandpa’s $22K farm was appraising at $8K. Fancy footwork by a friendly lawyer stalled foreclosure long enough for a New Deal farm-loan program to become available. Would those breaks have gone in our favor if we were black? Or would the white lawyer have shrugged and the white federal bureaucrat have moved our application to the bottom of the stack? Maybe. And then our family would have lost the farm — totally legally and by the rules — and had to start over in our attempt to accumulate wealth. If I complained about that circumstance now, what would people tell me? “Well, you gotta pay your debts. Your grandfather should have known that.”
     
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    Is it? That's the proposal made at the first national reparations convention.
     
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    It's a massive insult by someone with the intent to insult black people.

    Like I said, I don't see why anyone with good intent would find that even remotely a good idea.

    How about we send Irish people back to Ireland with their $1500?

    That's how it comes off.
     
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    $1 million dollars vs $1,500 doesn't equal the same.

    And they'd have a choice.

    And why are you attacking me about it? It was the proposal of the first national reparations committee. Which was headed by a black man.
     
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    Sure it does.

    $1M isn't anywhere near enough for starters.

    Sending people who built the nation with their blood sweat & tears is an outrageous insult.

    Jesse Lee Peterson, I presume. I wouldn't take a thing he suggests seriously.
     
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    It's $1 million per person that decides to leave the country Denny. Not $1 million collectively. And no it's not Peterson.
     
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