Politics This video about sums it up on why I am voting for Trump

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  1. VanillaGorilla

    VanillaGorilla Well-Known Member

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    No one thinks he is doing this for money.. He already has too much of that. But he's definitely much more famous right now than he has ever been before because he is running for president. Fame could easily be one of his main incentives.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    A normal campaign will cost him close to 1 billion dollars. His fame isn't what made him a billionaire, it was his development deals. The less time he pays attention to that facet of his revenue stream, that is less money in his pockets. His fame has made him money, but not even close to what he's made in real estate.
     
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    Fame is valuable even if it doesn't make a person a ton of money though. People will do all sorts of things for fame.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Okay, that I definitely agree with! Trump has his cover photos plastered all over his wall in his office. He also has tons of trophies behind him. He is absolutely egotistical just like your description.

    But here's my rebuttals. If he is so concerned with winning and being right, why try and run for something, that you don't believe you can change? If he fails as president, his name will be tarnished forever. He would be a laughing stock among his peers, which to a person like him, would be worse than losing all his money.

    So yes, I'm sure he's doing it for fame, but no, I don't think he will fail. And his fame would be immortalized by turning the country around and saving the middle class.
     
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    blue32 Who wants a mustache ride?

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    Mags, keep fighting the good fight. I am with you. I as well want to see this place get turned around in the right direction.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Narcissism is, by definition, irrational. If you think you are the greatest thing ever, that the world essentially exists for your benefit, then you are virtually incapable of believing that failure is even a possibility.

    The cynical view (to which I'm not yet sure whether I subscribe) would suggest that narcissist Trump's primary motivation for the presidency is similar to Jafar not being satisfied with being a sultan and a sorcerer, and using his third wish to become a genie. So focused he was on the power, he completely overlooked the drawbacks and restrictions.

     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    If you don't believe most, if not all, are not narcissistic, then I will just agree to disagree with you.
     
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    I didn't say they weren't. The question you posed was, "Why would a billionaire be running for President if he didn't love America." The answer is power.

    And besides that, you have to admit that the Jafar analogy was pretty tight.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Then why do this without even publicizing it?

    Obama Let This Marine Rot in Jail. Look What Donald Trump Did for Him!
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    Remember when U.S. Marine Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi spent 214 days rotting away in a filthy Mexican jail? The conditions were so bad, and his hope of returning home was so dismal, that he tried to take his own life on more than one occasion.

    And what was President Obama do during that time? Why, what he does best! He vacationed on your dime and he played golf at the priciest and most exclusive courses in the country. He couldn’t even bring himself to pencil in one phone call to discuss Tahmooressi’s release.

    Well you can bet that had Donald Trump been the one in the Oval Office, things would have shaken out much differently.

    “We don’t have a good relationship with Mexico,” Trump said at a recent campaign event. “Remember Sgt. Tahmooressi?”

    “They kept him in jail,” continued the 2016 Republican frontrunner. “We had a president that didn’t even want to make a phone call. He was in that jail, rotting in that jail, and I helped him with Greta and some people. And I helped him financially, and finally he got out. But he was in there so long!”

    Trump offered an undisclosed amount of financial assistance to Sgt. Tahmooressi after his release so that he could jumpstart his life. The real estate mogul did so quietly, which makes his gesture all the more noble.

    We’re just finding out about this now, because at the time Trump gave Tahmooressi money, he didn’t publicize it, he simply did the right thing because he genuinely appreciates everything our soldiers do. Wouldn’t it be amazing to have a Commander in Chief with that kind of respect for our military?

    or this a long time ago?

    A 66-Year-Old Widow’s Farm Faced Foreclosure… Then Trump SAVED THE DAY!
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    Annabel Hill of Waynesboro, Georgia lived a difficult life. At age 66, her husband Lenard killed himself in an attempt to save the family farm with insurance money. But the life insurance didn’t provide nearly enough.

    So the farm, which had been in her family for five generations, was scheduled for auction.

    But Donald Trump saw the story on NBC Nightly News, and he swung into action! Trump knew that hard-working farmers have made America great, and they deserve our support.

    “I saw a story on the news about Annabel Hill, who’d hit bottom,” The Donald writes in his book The America We Deserve.

    “It was a very sad situation, and I was moved,” Trump writes in The Art of the Deal. “Here were people who’d worked very hard and honestly all their lives, only to see it all crumble before them. To me, it just seemed wrong.”

    Trump reached out to Argenbright, who was able to put Trump in touch with bank that held Hill’s mortgage.

    “The next morning, I called and got some vice president on the line,” writes Trump. “I explained that I was a businessman from New York, and that I was interested in helping Mrs. Hill. He told me he was sorry, but that it was too late. They were going to auction off the farm, he said, and ‘nothing or no one is going to stop it.’”

    It was then, Trump claims, he decided to talk tough to the banker.

    via Buzzfeed

    According to Trump’s account, he was willing to get rough with the bank. Trump said he yelled at the banker holding the mortgage, “You listen to me. If you do foreclose, I’ll personally bring a lawsuit for murder against you and your bank, on the grounds that you harassed Mrs. Hill’s husband to his death.”

    Trump reached out to Atlanta-business Frank Argenbright, and they both put up the money with the Federal Land Bank for a 30-day option to buy the farm. The auction was called off with only two hours to spare!

    During that time, a donation drive helped raise the money to pay for the farm, largely thanks to Trump bringing attention to the cause and his connections to radio shows.

    “Financially this was obviously no big deal,” writes Trump in The America We Deserve. “But in human terms, there aren’t words to express what Annabel Hill gave to me. Most of us have a few things in life we would never give back, no matter what. Helping Annabel is that way for me.”

    Here is a picture of Donald Trump burning the mortgage with Annabel Hill, later that year during Christmas. What an American hero!

    Before she passed away, Mrs. Hill said, “The only way I can explain [Donald Trump’s actions] was God touched his heart.”

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    Why does one have to have anything to do with the other? We have no idea why either of those stories moved him to action. They don't negate the possibility that his primary motivation for running for president could just as easily be for power as for love of country. It's not as though either position is provable.
     
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    That's fine. I guess we can agree to disagree then.
     
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    So, you're saying that there's zero possibility that power is Trump's primary motivator? Because that's the only position I've claimed--that it's a reasonable theory.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    I don't argue that there IS a possibility, especially when I openly admit that he has a very high opinion of himself. What I am "disagreeing with" is that this is the MAIN REASON he wants to be president, which your video advertises.
     
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    You're too emotionally invested in this topic to be rational. A rational, objective person has the ability to see both sides of a discussion. The video is intended to illustrate the cynical--but not unreasonable--theory, not my own perspective. I don't have an opinion on Trump's motivation, but I'm willing to entertain multiple possibilities, including patriotism.
     
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    True... I am more concerned with a candidate that I believe has the leadership skills and ability to get things done.

    If you want me to agree with you, then I will be more than happy to 100% agree with you. Fine?
     
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    You crack me up. You realize that I'm not an adversary, right?
     
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    I have been aware because you've defended some positions.
     
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    The building of Trump's empire has been linked to the mob for a long time...his run for President is going to surely bring more attention to it as it becomes more serious. I honestly don't know how anyone in their right might things he would make a good candidate. Does his "fuck the establishment" outlook resonate...definitely. But I think EVERY American citizen is sick of the same ole' bullshit that goes on in Washington. It's refreshing to see someone not give a fuck...but that doesn't make him even a decent candidate. Not only does Trump have ties to the mob, he has fucked over THOUSANDS of small and family businesses in NY and Atlantic City. There are countless stories of his company contracting or sub-contracting work out, having the work done, and then strategically filing for bankruptcy to get out of paying these small businesses...hanging nearly all of them out to dry and forcing them to go out of business.

    Trump is a piece of shit, one who has a refreshing take on how to operate in the political landscape, but nonetheless still a GIANT piece of shit.

    I'm neither Republican nor Democrat, but it is clear as day to me that Republicans have absolutely no shot of getting any of their candidates elected (regardless of who it is) until as a party they decide to move away from many of their draconian views on issues.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/31/politics/trump-mob-mafia/

    http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/28/how-close-was-donald-trump-to-the-mob/


     

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