Shooting at Umpqua Community College: 10 dead

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  1. riverman

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    I have, she's expendable
     
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    You just don't get it.
     
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    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Can we go back to making fun of Taylor Danforth, please?
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    What's to get?

    I have no interest in taking away NateBishop's or Further's guns.

    And I haven't seen any evidence that the government can control smaller populations than ours, where the military isn't recruited from that population.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Who knows indeed. I'm pretty sure that it isn't the case that every military coup has failed due to desertion.

    Definitely, unarmed. But, that might not be the most relevant question.

    Maybe. I suspect that the definition of 'arms' will have to be expanded greatly if the citizens are going to be prepared for war 200 years from now.

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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Yes, it is a huge if. But it's the justification for people having guns, because the government might someday come to take them away.

    We gotta have guns because someday someone might try to take them from us...

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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    You just don't get it.

    Does that work?
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    No, barfo, that's not the justification.

    The justification is that we're supposed to be a FREE people. Gun ownership rights is part of what being a FREE people means.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Nope. Doesn't work, because I understand your arguments, I just disagree with them.

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    Or talking about Barfo's mother.
     
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  11. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    That's hilarious and just a little pathetic. You can't be free (er, sorry, FREE) without owning a gun?

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    How many rights do you need to erode before you're not free?

    Hilarious indeed.
     
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    Hilarious that this freedom (guns) was more important at the time of it's creation than the rights of black people, women or native Americans rights (er, those fake Americans, Indians).
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Non sequitur.

    But thanks anyway.
     
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    theprunetang Shaedon "Deadly Nightshade" Sharpe is HIM

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    Keep talking about politics. I spent my day texting friends and family. I wanted to make sure they were okay. I had a friend that died today, and I am crying while I write this. But please keep on arguing about shit. ......
     
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    Sorry for your loss. It is unfortunate that these things become politicized, but they do.
     
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    That's a reasonable question. I think there are different degrees of freedom. I'm not free to kill a bunch of kids right now (unless I have enough guns) but I don't consider that a serious constraint on my freedom because I don't want to kill a bunch of kids. I can't fly by flapping my arms (or guns... or gums) and I wish I could, that would be a greater freedom than I have right now. I don't think there is a bright line, but if there is I'm pretty sure that the gain or loss of gun ownership isn't that bright line, though, unless guns are what you live for.

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    Freedom has consequences. I'd rather live with those than without freedom in the first place.

    People can (and sadly do) abuse our freedoms by setting fires or randomly deciding to shoot up a peaceful place.

    Or yelling (Go Blazers!), which is fine, but not "Fire!" in a crowded theater. From my perspective, you want to keep people from yelling "Fire!" by cutting out their vocal cords.

    Just as long as it's not YOUR vocal cords, that is.
     
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  19. barfo

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    It would certainly be better to just pretend there is no possible solution and that we just have to live with this type of violence, rather than debate the alternatives.

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  20. barfo

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    Sorry.

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