Gun Control, Mental healthcare, big brother... thread

Is there a chart like this that isn't bullshit? You know, one where suicides and "legal intervention" aren't counted. Oh, leave out the accidental gun deaths too please.

I assume the legal intervention part is self defense or the police shooting a suspect. Maybe the cops run over people in states with stricter gun laws?

I figure the entire chart may follow the same pattern without those things included but I'd like to see for myself.

 

Mental health people, we need to focus on the mental health crisis. That is the root of the problem, not the damn tools used. We could enact thousands of laws, ban guns, etc. Crazy people will still hurt themselves and others. Infringing on the rights of citizens that live in a 'free' country is not something I can get behind (e.g banning items from said free people). However, with that said, I still believe in checks and balances for items like (cars, guns, airplanes, boats, etc) things that require skill and responsibility to use, that is because all free people are not mentally healthy.

 

I still haven't seen one proposal/solution from the gun lobby here, other than to say "it's a mental health issue." That's a take, not a solution.

Australia passed sweeping gun control after their "Sandy Hook" and it has been very effective. I think the answer here is that you guys don't have any solutions, other than to arm people to the teeth.

Or have I missed something?

 

We need to ban all prescription drugs!

http://www.drugfreeworld.org/drugfacts/prescription/abuse-international-statistics.html

Prescription drugs kill double the amount of gun related deaths in America. We need Obama to make a press conference to politicize these issues after each prescription drug related death.

 

You are missing the point. The whole thing is "WHY". Why are people killing other people (and themselves) with pressure cookers, and guns, and knives, and whatever other instrument of death they can find.

Why? Because they are sick. Why are they sick? Because we have a damn mental health crisis in America. Why? I don't know why; but all signs point to the abuse of RX's by doctors, big pharma, and the people.


Edit: And enacting more laws isn't a defacto answer. As you can see, the guy already legally obtained firearms, either by himself, or through family. Any nutjob can pass a background test. Specially if they are the nut jobs that have profiles like serial killers.

 

I dont understand this, anyone who wanted to could have taken a concealed hand gun class and then been carrying in the classrooms. In fact there was at least one person who was. So is the call to arms for open carry in class rooms or should we just issue weapons as people walk in? I guess that is alright if the class is about guns but it might be a little distracting during a women's history or ceramics session.

 

What don't you understand? The president "politicized" gun control on an epic tragedy and the people in the town don't want his insensitive ass there. I wouldn't either regardless if I was pro or con gun control.

That's like a death insurance salesman knocking at your door minutes after a loved one dies and says "See now if you would have bought death insurance, you'd be able to pay for this funeral easier"

 

Your article does not mention Obama and your response does not answer any question.

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/cjarlot...bat-prescription-opioid-heroin-abuse-in-2016/

 

And we can say it's failed to keep the drugs falling in the wrong hands hasn't it. Proof that more regulation is not the answer.

 

This is actually his plan for 2016. I'll reserve judgement until that year has actually happened.

 

There are more regulations for pharma drugs than any gun laws and it's still sold on the streets like candy. More regulation failed.

 

If pharm drugs were not a problem then there would be no reason for Obama to address the issue with a plan for 2016. Just like if guns were not an issue then we would not have this conversation. The cure is not the cause. The article that you didnt read was about common sense regulation and a plan to help the issue, not to take everyone'e pain medication away. Do you see the parallel to guns in that statement? I hope you do.

 

Um that's what I've said. More regulation after regulation has been put on trying to solve the illegal distribution and even legal abuse of these medications.

So how will regulations really stop criminals from purchasing guns or even using other means of weapons? You think they care about laws?