Gun Control, Mental healthcare, big brother... thread

you are talking in circles, Part of the pharma fix is not more regulation, its treatment and education. Just like outlawing guns is not going to fix the problem. Both instruments are valuable in society but just like guns you cant have a Oxycontin free for all at every corner market....... shit I just thought of a freedom idea, open a store called Oxy's and AR's. Get both of your fixes in one spot... Hell Ill even put in a drive through.

 

BINGO!!!!! Instead of demanding more regulations on guns, maybe we should solve the problem with education and treatment.

 

So here's what I don't understand about our politicians: why is it with something like gun control both sides just double down on their talking points instead of looking to actually do something meaningful? GOP assholes...are there really absolutely no changes that could be made to gun regulations that would help make it a bit harder for the lunatics to get weapons. No, it won't solve everything, but some reasonable changes might help a bit. Democrat assholes...can you at least stop pretending that gun legislation is the total solution and talk about some moves that might get the lunatics some help before they do some crazy shit like UCC? No, it won't solve everything but getting crazy people some treatment might help a bit. Good grief, get a frickin' clue, idiots.

 

We've entered a stage of politics where being moderate means your weak and makes you concede more than the other side. Personally I blame Ted Cruz

The other part is money. Guns are big fucking money with huge lobbyists. Any regulation hurts the bottom line. If you think any of these companies care about freedoms are safety then you are sadly mistaken. Its all money and they play the gun debates to sell more guns. Legal gun sales soar every time there is a shooting, and just the word Obama sends dollar signs to the eyes of guns and ammo dealers. The sadly ironic part is that the freedom crowd who proclaiming their gun rights are actually the ones being played by the gun companies and they eat it up hook line and sinker (see sheeple for more information). Dont believe me? Look up gun ownership vs sales, less and less people are buying guns but more and more guns are being bought by fearmongered freedom fighters who are more afraid of imaginary nazi Obama than they are of the real everyday threat that is prevalent in our lives.

 

I read your post and I see Democratic talking points and zilch about getting help for the crazies. Mags can chime in now with the GOP talking points and zilch about passing even minimal laws to regulate access to guns by the crazies. And so the yin and yang of dysfunctional politics continues with each side chasing their opponents' equally useless tails, with the sole point of making sure that THEIR people get elected to continue the useless pattern.

 

You've only read that one post then. My central theme is increased mental health care access and I view it as more important than any regulation that wont be passed. So part of the problem you are stating is you, you are not listening to the whole story and then complaining about peoples stance in a limited context of discussion.

 

True, I was going by that one post. You don't actually expect me to read 15 pages of this nonsense, do you?

 

blah blah blah, nuclear weapons blah blah blah.

Principles are great an all but so is rational thinking and compromise, especially since we all have to live in this reality that we create.

 

Because the weaponry today is exactly the same as it was in our forefathers' time and it wouldn't make sense to revisit this issue in light of the changing technology of killing?

 

I did, its actually very entertaining. Im just not gong to outline my whole political stance in every statement, but I try to be as consistent as possible. Also its very easy to get sucked into a rat hole discussion point.

I might be going a little overboard but its an important subject and its hard to get through the standard drilled in republican talking points. Obama sucks, good guys vs bad guys, arm everyone, my rights. All of those are gun industry terms used to give people talking points so we argue and dont talk about what we can really do, because when we have that discussion it costs them money.

 

And the well regulated militia part?

Arguing semantics is ignoring the problem.

 

The key part of the Second Amendment that typically gets overlooked in these discussions is the initial clause stating, "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state,". In United States vs Miller, the Supreme Court ruled that the federal government and the states could limit access to weapon types not having a "reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia". That certainly gives reasonable grounds for governmental registration and background checks (access) to certain types of weapons. I'd be willing to stipulate that everyone can have free access to a musket.

 

so what do you propose? What changes, in your opinion, need to be made on guns?