Gun Control, Mental healthcare, big brother... thread

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OBAMA BUDGET SKYROCKETS GUN CONTROL FUNDING

President Obama’s budget contains a significantly elevated level of spending dedicated to enforcement of federal gun control. According to the budget, the Department of Justice will be granted some $395 million “to combat gun violence, and ensure that those who are not eligible to purchase or possess guns are prevented from doing so.” More importantly, the budget includes funding designed to “increase inspections of the firearms industry.”
The budget includes “an increase of $173 million” for more federal gun control enforcement. It is unclear how much the federal government spent in 2012 on gun control enforcement. The budget also reportedly includes $10 million for research on gun violence and $222 million on school safety measures including “increasing firearms safety.”

Ben Shapiro is Editor-At-Large of Breitbart News and author of the New York Times bestseller “Bullies: How the Left’s Culture of Fear and Intimidation Silences America” (Threshold Editions, January 8, 2013).

 

Reading is fundamental, MarAzul. I posted my observation about judicial activism, not my opinion in support of it. But, sure, put me on your list if it floats your boat (Ha! I made a funny).

 

$300 million per year could most likely help with security for every school in United States. The states could budget in more to beef up violent cities.

It's much cheaper to secure school than making a nationwide gun control legislation.

 

Yea you would be able to. Like $350 mil to legislate a weak control already would mean hundreds of millions more to spread nationwide.

School security would be much cheaper than that bloated cost.

 

err, I think these guy get their weapons without the inconvenience of the back ground check. Did you know that 92% of the checks that stop a purchase turn out to be
false.

 

98k total public schools (k-12)
10k colleges. So it's roughly 100k.

$3,500 per school from fed.
State pitches in per school, most already have police at the school already.

NY has a state budget of 30 mil on gun control. Apply that to their 1,700 schools and that's an additional $17k and their added security of police they have in crime areas.

But don't stop there. Each school already has security, especially k-12. Training for those security to have weapons to their existing salary and all is well.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/06/us/oregon-umpqua-shooting-mother-online-posts/index.html

Mother and son both had mental illness from the sound of it...
Background checks failed. A win for gun laws! --- not. A complete failure in the background check imo.

All the while...Solution by the anti-gun nuts... more laws!

 

and here is the solution for the gun nuts.

http://rickwells.us/grassroots-move...me-visit-of-obama-to-roseburg-organizing-now/

Damn Obama, politicizing politics, like a politician. What a SOB.

If you want to have a real laugh go to the faceb00k page. Its like someone threw water on mags after midnight over there.

 

Yeah the background checks failed. Failed like the arguments in this thread that more control equals less violent crimes.

 

Bullshit. Look at other countries. You don't know what you're talking about. You, just like most gun nuts in this thread are spouting.

Now it's "Black people are the problem.." Jesus fucking Christ....

 

From their facebook page.

#4 Please bring a handgun (instead of a rifle) to this emotional protest against the president. (This will end well.)

 

I'm late to this, so I'm not going to read through 30 pages to see if this was already covered, but here are my thoughts:

1. I think everyone wants the same end result: no more school shootings. Is it fair to assume that everyone wants these things to stop?

2. Guns are not the cause of these shootings. They are the method. They are the tool, but they are not the root cause of these events. Millions of people buy guns, own guns, and never commit a crime, so to say that guns are the reason for something like Umpqua is false. They might amplify the damages of the event, but they do not cause it. We need to address the root cause of these shootings. That should be the goal.

3. The trend seems to be mental illness, but the motive seemed to be different with this most recent one. Most of the school shootings seemed to be about revenge or anger. This most recent one seemed to be almost entirely about seeking attention.

4. People need to stop throwing out the phrase "gun control" when they clearly have no clue what laws are already in place. We have background checks. If you never committed a crime that would prevent you from owning a gun, guess what, you can go out and buy a gun (just like this most recent asshole.) Or, in the case of the Clackamas shooting, or the Reynolds shooting, you can just go steal one from someone you know (who legally bought it.)

So what would my solution be?

1. I would make it illegal for the news media to publicize the name of the shooter. In fact, there REALLY needs to be some kind of regulation or punishment for running with any possible rumor and reporting it as fact. The internet and twitter has created a feeding frenzy of which we have never before seen in the history of the world. The media runs with everything now. It's better to be first and wrong, then to be last and right. We need to remove the celebrity status from these shootings. We need to make it as though these people never existed. Wipe them from the face of the earth. Not only will they not get the attention that they seek, but they will cease to exist in the record books.

2. I would give the public access to the NICS database so they can run their own background checks before selling a gun. The Republicans tried to get this passed and the Democrats stood in the way. The NICS database is what gun stores use to check if someone has a criminal record. "The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) is a U.S. system for determining if prospective firearms or explosives buyers are eligible to buy. It was mandated by the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (Brady Law) of 1993 and launched by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in 1998." Currently the average citizen does not have access to this system. We have to go to a gun store and pay the owner to run a background check through the NCIS.

3. We need to spend money on helping schools identify kids with problems and getting them help. Talking with parents. Identify people who might pose a threat and spend some time trying to help them. I'm not saying we should start a witch hunt. I just think that some of these people exhibit warning signs before they snap and we need to develop methods and spend resources to figure out what these warning signs are and dedicate extra time to helping those kids. I'm not talking about zero tolerance. Right now schools freak the fuck out and suspend anytime someone even remotely exhibits an affinity for guns. Identify if the signs are there and then start a dialog with the child and the parents.

 

Is that what you took from those statistics? Wow.... blinders.

 

When I used other countries, the argument was "Well it's not the same as our country" argument. But hell, when you use other countries to support your argument, then it's totally empirical. Okay... Got it!

Btw, UK has a complete ban on guns and they have more violent crime than the US per capita.

 

You sir are on some bullshit. I've never even heard you use the "other countries argument". American Exceptionalists like you never use that argument. It wasn't me who argued against comparing ourselves to other industrialized nations.

The UK doesn't have NEARLY the gun deaths. So go away with that bullshit argument. They are LESS than 200 per year compared to our 18000+...