Notice Yankee trade talks

wtf?

 

...Cashman seems to be making moves just for the sake of making moves. First he trades Murphy, who was solid last year, in exchange for a career .225 hitter who the Twins were not happy with and so far has been a head case with an attitude problem.
...now he trade Pirela, who was by no means a super star, for a mediocre 20 year old pitcher.

...again, can anyone explain how this kind of shit makes the Yanx stronger?

 

Fox Sports indicated that the Diamondbacks will be among the teams that are expected to show interest in Yankees closer Andrew Miller as per Ken Rosenthal.

 

Cashman seems to be making moves just for the sake of making moves. First he trades Murphy, who was solid last year, in exchange for a career .225 hitter who the Twins were not happy with and so far has been a head case with an attitude problem.
...now he trade Pirela, who was by no means a super star, for a mediocre 20 year old pitcher.

...again, can anyone explain how this kind of shit makes the Yanx stronger?


I gave it a whirl in the other thread- tell me what you think.
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Gardy and/or Beltran could now be used in trades to "improve" the team while getting cheaper and .....um...younger?
Also opening up another outfield spot for Heathcott or Williams/Judge.

2015:
Hicks 390 PA - 11 hr, 33 rbi, 13/16 SB, .256 ba, .721 ops
Gardy 656 PA- 16 hr, 66 rbi, 20/25 SB, .259 ba, .742 ops

Hicks 26 yrs old, $ 550K per
Gardy 32 yrs old, owed 39- 51 mil (?)
Hicks has to be expected to at least approximate what Gardy gave them offensively with a good chance of improving on those numbers getting a couple hundred more PA than last year (390) without losing anything on defense.

Then there is Sanchez for backup catcher. ?


From Mark Feinsand NY DAILY NEWS:
Cashman said he'd be comfortable with Gary Sanchez as McCann's backup "but that doesn't mean that's going to happen." Romine also in mix.
11:29 AM - 11 Nov 2015

 

We don't need Ken Rosenthal to tells us.
I'm sure a whole bunch of teams would be interested in Miller.

This could just be a reaction to Cashman saying he'll listen to all offers for just about anyone.
My goodness, can Cashman be dumb enough to trade his excellent closer without securing another solid closer?

Sorry, I don't buy it.
If....if Cashman were to trade Miller I think he would have a deal in place for Chapman or Kimbrel.....or some other "top" closer.

 

... I asked how trading Murphy and Pirela in return for fringe player made the Yanx "better" and "stronger"...and predictably I get blind defense of anything Cashman does as an answer.

...comparing Hicks to Gardner is laughable...as is comparing their salaries...the money is irrelevant and was not a factor, and in no way should the possibility of trading Gardner be viewed as a salary dump. Hicks is not a replacement for Gardner and he's not an every day player, he's a platoon player who also reportedly has an attitude problem.

 

Predictably we get knee-jerk critisim of Cashman.
What about getting YOUNGER , and more payroll FLEXIBILITY?
How much pay difference is there going go be between Young and Hicks?.... and there is also a fair possibility Gardner and/or Beltran's salary will be traded away.
And you seem to be overlooking another one of the Yankee top prospects who happens to be a catcher - Sanchez, who HAS done well at AAA, who is also YOUNG and inexpensive.
You constantly whine about any and everything Cashman does and when the subject of he and Hal having a "plan" to get younger is brought up you strategically try and spin it to suit you by saying "it's ever changing", and isn't taking shape.
I have more than once mentioned (and is clear for all to see) how the Yanks are positioned to soon have no fewer than 5-6 young, inexpensive players on the field at a given time with all but one (Gregorius) being homegrown, and HE was acquired by using one minor league product who hasnt yet made the Yanks regret the trade- lol

I'm beginning to think you aren't qualified to discuss any Yankee trades and moves because you are strongly biased against Cashman.

You ask questions and when an answer/opinion is given which you disagree with you simply dismiss it out of hand, mention the "majority" and demand an "answer/opinion" which fits your narrative....it appears to me you aren't satisfied or able to converse unless all fall in line.
Lmao.....otherwise, you're an intelligent fellow and good baseball fan.

CC? Bad contract? At this point it sure looks that way.
However, in your rabid bias against Cashman/ownership, you are unable to measure the "contract" with any fairness.

CC was 31 yrs old when they extended him (2011) into 2016 and was coming off three straight excellent years combining for 53-19,
ERA 3.18, WHIP 1.18.
He is now 35 yrs old and won't turn 36 until July.
Want to ask the "majority" and other baseball "people" if it's stupid or irresponsible to expect a SP to pitch well from ages 32-35?

The Yanks made the choice, some others may have NOT, but don't try and portray the decision to be some kind of pie in sky ridiculous move.

Let me give another example which you have, and will certainly have continued to conveninetly avoid:
The Tigers (DOMBROWSKI) extended Verlander at age 30 (2013) through the 2019 season which would bring him to age 36.
Once again, you may or may not agree with it, but let's not act as if the thought process behind CC's extension was so ridiculous or incompetent.

And either way, the Yanks could and CAN afford it.
So please go easy on the baloney.

 

^^^this wall of mindless words is so full of holes I really don't know where to begin...but I'll dissect a few points.


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Predictably we get knee-jerk critisim of Cashman.
What about getting YOUNGER , and more payroll FLEXIBILITY?
How much pay difference is there going go be between Young and Hicks?.... and there is also a fair possibility Gardner and/or Beltran's salary will be traded away.[/QUOTE]["blgridesagain, post: 3758682, member: 27916"]

...comparing the contracts of Young and Hicks and implying that the move was about "payroll flexibility"?...lmao ...and who gives 2 shit about the age of 2 bench platoon players?...and I'll ask again, does losing Young while acquiring Hicks make the Yanx stronger?...yes or no?


And you seem to be overlooking another one of the Yankee top prospects who happens to be a catcher - Sanchez, who HAS done well at AAA, who is also YOUNG and inexpensive.

...I didn't overlook anything...I said that Murphy was proven and Sanchez was not, period. Can you dispute that?...yes or no? And again, this is the Yanx not some small market franchise...as you admitted in your last sentence, "the Yanx can afford it"...make up your mind because you can try but you can't have it both ways.


You constantly whine about any and everything Cashman does and when the subject of he and Hal having a "plan" to get younger is brought up you strategically try and spin it to suit you by saying "it's ever changing", and isn't taking shape.

...I see, so when you constantly point something out, it's voicing your opinion...when I do it, it's "whining"... again, stop with the hypocrisy.


I have more than once mentioned (and is clear for all to see) how the Yanks are positioned to soon have no fewer than 5-6 young, inexpensive players on the field at a given time with all but one (Gregorius) being homegrown, and HE was acquired by using one minor league product who hasnt yet made the Yanks regret the trade- lol

...and there you have it...the omnipresent mentioning of Gregorius, as if he's something special...he had 2 months where he actually hit well and that's it, but you assume that will be the norm instead of what he's been in the past. He a mediocre hitter and a barely above average defensive SS. There are probably about 7 or 8 SSs I'd rather have.

I'm beginning to think you aren't qualified to discuss any Yankee trades and moves because you are strongly biased against Cashman.

...bias has nothing to do with it...my feeling about his ability, or lack thereof have merit and have been presented before. I bash Cashman for good reason, because he's a bad GM, period.

You ask questions and when an answer/opinion is given which you disagree with you simply dismiss it out of hand, mention the "majority" and demand an "answer/opinion" which fits your narrative....it appears to me you aren't satisfied or able to converse unless all fall in line.
Lmao.....otherwise, you're an intelligent fellow and good baseball fan.

...sorry, but I'm certainly not here for your validation.

CC? Bad contract? At this point it sure looks that way.
However, in your rabid bias against Cashman/ownership, you are unable to measure the "contract" with any fairness.

...seriously?...what "fairness" does that horrible contract merit?...and it's been a bad contract for a few years now.

CC was 31 yrs old when they extended him (2011) into 2016 and was coming off three straight excellent years combining for 53-19,
ERA 3.18, WHIP 1.18.
He is now 35 yrs old and won't turn 36 until July.
Want to ask the "majority" and other baseball "people" if it's stupid or irresponsible to expect a SP to pitch well from ages 32-35?

...uhhh, the only reason they "extended" CC in the first place was because Cashman inanely gave him an "opt out" clause in his first contract.


Let me give another example which you have, and will certainly have continued to conveninetly avoid:
The Tigers (DOMBROWSKI) extended Verlander at age 30 (2013) through the 2019 season which would bring him to age 36.
Once again, you may or may not agree with it, but let's not act as if the thought process behind CC's extension was so ridiculous or incompetent.

...and there you go with Dombrowski again...why do you incessantly and irrelevantly bring him up?...I could care less about him or the Tigers or any other team for that matter, ...we're talking about Cashman and the Yankees.

And either way, the Yanks could and CAN afford it.
So please go easy on the baloney.

...as I've already pointed out, are the Yanx now trying to save money or as you say can "they afford it"?...like I said, you can't have it both ways.

 

I've never seen any one person, talk to themselves so much, as I see here. Not even those locked up in Asylum's, seem to talk to themselves as much....

"It's ok to talk to oneself, but only if said person doesn't reply back".....

thus spoke Carl Jung

 

According to the New York Daily News, The Yankees could make a serious run at Wei-Yin-Chen as per Mark Feinsand.

 

Isn't Wei-Yin-Chen the Asian Equivalent of this guy: ....???

 

...it's incredible, no matter how many people point out the crack head mentality of the Steins and Cashman, a silver lining is blindly applied to everything they do.

 

Yankees interested in LH pitcher Wei-Yin Chen according to Mark Feinsand. 30 year old Chen who earned $4.75M in2015 is looking for no less then 5 years. So IMO 5 years at $40M should get it done.

 

pirela was a solid platoon infielder and a hedge in case Ref struggles. please dont tell me this means one one chance for drew. as for murphy...who the fuck gives away a promising catcher for a platoon outfielder with personal issues? there were moe gams than i care to remember that i miss girardi would put in murphy for mccann.

every gm on the planet must be fighting over who can fleece cashman next.

 

Lol, more slanted blind anti "Cashman "baloney" from you.
You do make good attempts at trying to be slick to back up your some of your OPINIONS which I'm sure is backed by the "majority" (which consists of 5-6 posters on this Board..lmao).....lol

You call Murphy "proven" based on 155 AB in 2015 and 48 previous games prior to 2015.....yet you CLEARLY find fault with the possibility of the Yanks promoting arguably/probably their best current hitting prospect in Sanchez.... So, according to your logic, the Yanks should've traded Sanchez? Lmao.....you would've been the first one complaining about Cashman if he traded Sanchez. Yanks are going to have to find out about Sanchez, the time is getting very near. I like Murphy, but don't make an ass out of yourself by saying he was regarded as high as Sanchez by many accounts.


It's also comical how you described Hicks as a ".225 career hitter" primarily based 467 ABs (.201) in parts of two previous seasons 2013-2014.....he just turned 26yrs old in Oct and no mention of his 2015 stats with (390 PA) which project to be at least similar to what Gardner put up in 2015.

Lmao

Yet Murphy is "proven" on 155 ABs.
I think Sanchez has a real chance to "prove" a bit more, and I agree with the Yanks and many others if they also feel the same way....

I noticed you called Didi an average hitter...another cute little trick...but only 5 (qualified) MLb SS had a higher BA than Didi in 2015 and only 7 had a higher OPS ...and in both cases, Tulowitzski was one of those SS and it's safe to say he isnt quite the Yanks answer going forward both age wise and salary...and I doubt it they could've gotten him for Shane Greene.....lmao.
I've heard you cite dWAR in a positive way in some other thread-
According to ESPN - Didi was 5th in dWAR in 2015....lmao!
Let's get back to Didi being an "average hitter" ....he was in fact one of the BETTER hitting SS in MLB last year and you know dam well the Yanks are not, and were not counting on him to be one of the BETTER HITTERS in MLB when they acquired him....so stop tossing baloney out there.
aka anti- Cashman propaganda.

One last thing....when I said the Yanks "can afford it", I was obviously referring to the case of CC and his extended contract, that was the context in which it was used, don't try your bullsh!t by twisting it to suit you........and you now might as well toss in Arod and Tex' contracts.....Yanks know what they have to do, and are willing to deal with it....they also know how much money will coming off the books in 1-2 years and will move on accordingly.

And you still conveniently avoid the fact that one of your hero GMs DID extend a contract to a SP who will be 36 years old at the end of it.
CC is going to be 35 this year, and was 31yrs old and one of the absolute best SP when the Yanks extended him.
The point was, and is, it wasn't clearly STUPID and IRRESPONSIBLE to expect a pitcher to pitch well (not necessarily Cy Young like) through the ages of 32-35. Another one of your strawman issues. Lmao.

I enjoy discussions like these, but please don't keep believing your insights and observations are necessarily more accurate (more often correct) than some others just bcause they don't happen to goose-step along with you on everything.

 

I'm here & honestly I don't see the attraction,http://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.cgi?id=herrer000ron

 

Not sure what you're asking for Rick?
Do you want to know if I think it was "good" trade by the Yanks?
I've already said I believe Pirela is a "pretty good" hitter, a free swinger who needs ABs to show whatever he has...and of course not known for his defense. I was calling for more playing time for him last year at 2b just to find something out when it became evident Drew was becoming a consistent .200 hitter after the first couple of months.

I don't know what the market was for Pirela and this Herrera guy has pedestrian stats (at best).
I would say the Padres got the "better" of the deal.
Pirela never really got a chance after hitting well in his AAA career.

 

Then why were you asking where I was?

 

Its originally believed that Hicks was just a replacement for Young BUT..........if you read down approx 5 paragraphs on this report Cashman is saying that Hicks is an everyday player. So what exactly does this trade mean?

http://nypost.com/2015/11/11/brian-cashmans-grand-plan-crystallizes-with-hicks-trade/

 

I only thought you were going to weigh in on those previous exchange of posts in the thread.
That's all.