Game Thread GAME# 11: BLAZERS @ HORNETS - NOVEMBER 15, 2015 - SUNDAY, 2:00 PM (PST), CSNNW

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  1. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    This is a message from Chief of Department (ret.) Daniel Nigro, addressing the conspiracy theories surrounding the collapse of WTC7. Thank you very much for this statement, Mr. Nigro. The work you and your colleagues did will never be forgotten.

    Release date: September 23, 2007

    Regarding WTC 7: The long-awaited US Government NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) report on the collapse of WTC 7 is due to be published at the end of this year (although it has been delayed already a few times [ adding fuel to the conspiracy theorists fires!]). That report should explain the cause and mechanics of the collapse in great detail. Early on the afternoon of September 11th 2001, following the collapse of WTC 1 & 2, I feared a collapse of WTC 7 (as did many on my staff).

    The reasons are as follows:
    1 - Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse.
    2. The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7.
    3. WTC 7, we knew, was built on a small number of large columns providing an open Atrium on the lower levels.
    4. numerous fires on many floors of WTC 7 burned without sufficient water supply to attack them.
    For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed.
    Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit.
    Regards, Dan Nigro
    Chief of Department FDNY (retired)


    https://sites.google.com/site/911guide/danielnigro
     
  2. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    I agree.
     
  3. Sinobas

    Sinobas Banned User BANNED

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    Professional demolition crews use a lot of planning and precise demolition material to get a building to fall into it's own footprint, which is what WTC 7 supposedly did on it's own because of a relatively small fire. Instead of studying this failure, it was all quicky shipped to china where the steel was melted down. 58 perimeter columns and 25 core columns, and it falls perfectly symetrical and only .5 second longer than free fall.

    Go sell that shit somewhere else, I"m not buying.
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    WTC7 didn't fall in its own footprint.

    [​IMG]

    Note just past building 7 is a small amount of debris on the white building behind it. (Building 7 is pile in the upper center-left of the photo. The white building is at the top center-left of the photo.) That building is to the north east corner of building 7. Note about 1/3rd of the east side of the building falling to the north in the photo below.

    Here is another photo from over Building 7. The white building is on the left. Note the debris from building 7 which crossed the street and landed on top of the white building.

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    This suggests the building was split by the penthouse collapses most of the way down. One section went to the south-east while a smaller section went to the north. It wasn't that symmetrical.

    Below are snapshots from a video taken from the northeast of Building 7 just as it collapses. Note that it has just begun to collapse and it is already tilting to the south.

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    Half way through and it's still tilted to the south. Note the west side of the building has come away from the west face around what used to be the 43rd floor. Light can be seen through the east face windows.

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    Note the angle to the south has increased and so has the space between the west face and the rest of the building. The west face later lays on the Verizon building to the west. While it looks like it's about to hit the ground, it's still almost as high as the white building to the right. That makes it about 20 stories.

    [​IMG]

    If the majority of the building fell to the south-east based on the resulting debris locations, as conspiracy theorists point out, it is evidence for a normal collapse by fire. I think they're right.

    http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm
     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    The reasons are as follows:
    1 - Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse. A list of those certain ones follows: Those 3 buildings were the only ones in history to collapse into their own footprints.
    2. The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7, as have happened in millions of fires in history without the neighboring building collapsing into its own footprint.
    3. WTC 7, we knew, was built on a small number of large columns providing an open Atrium on the lower levels, like many other buildings that have had fires.
    4. numerous fires on many floors of WTC 7 burned without sufficient water supply to attack them, just like many other buildings in history.
    For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed, 3 hours after I allowed no witnesses to get close to see what was being secretly done.
    Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit.
     
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    "normal collapse by fire" Pop quiz hot shot. Find me the basis for which you call that a normal collapse by fire. (hint, don't waste your time, because a steel framed high rise building never fell due to fire before 9-11)

    As to whether or not it fell straight down into it's own footprint like a demolition, we can let the viewers at home decide. Imagine how this would have been possible if the columns were not cut at once as they do in a demolition. It's not like portions of the building collapsed.
     
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    They didn't fall in their own footprints.

    [​IMG]
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    Yes very interesting analysis on the game.... Mmm I too agree with your sentiments... Should have shot more threes... Yes yes..... Very nice.
     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    See the film in the post before yours. It fell vertically into itself, exactly as demolition crews collapse buildings, and as never happens otherwise. Got films of it happening in other fires?
     
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    I'm very sorry guys. This was my fault.
     
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    Buildings don't fall down any straighter than this dog.
     
  13. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    So again, the government had secret agents running around cutting columns and placing secret sauces on metal to collapse buildings and no one saw them.

    Even the Navy Seals who killed Bin Laden have written books and done movie deals but none of the secret sauce agents have decided to say anything?
     
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    Debris field of the building didn't fall neatly into it's own footprint - but as seen in the video Sinobas posted, the building fell almost perfectly perpendicular to the ground, towards it's own footprint: symmetrically with very little toppling.
    This suggests universal, concurrent failure of the internal supports.

    Not a piecewise collapse, but total; Very much like our defense in the first half tonight.
     
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    Actually they do. Look at the photos. There's shit everywhere. WTC7 didn't fall straight down.

    But lets see if I got this right according to you guys, the government does this grand conspiracy, secret agents with secret sauces running around doing secret things, they decided to not only destroy the 2 WTC buildings they decided to take one more building out, WTC7. But then these silly stupid secret agents screw up this vast conspiracy and have the buildings fall in their own footprints (which they didn't really but that's besides the point) so everyone is able to figure out that it was really the secret sauce agents that brought down the buildings.
     
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    My theory is that Obama did it so that he could take our guns.

    barfo
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    They came for my shoes at airport security and I didn't say anything, then they came for my guns.
     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    Okay!! You admit it was you?? Now we're getting somewhere.

    Denny will win the Pulitzer for this thread.
     
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    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.


    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.


    Then they came for my Bacon & my Guns, and I did speak out-
    I said: "Say hello to my little friend".


     
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    Hahahahaha!
     

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