Has your opinion of Hendo changed?

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  1. Draco

    Draco Well-Known Member

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    Hendo and Kaman are both overpaid on their contracts so they have less trade value than nothing.

    Maybe we can get a late second rounder if we acquire players worth even greater less than nothing.

    But really is getting a late second round pick that important?

    Starting to think I'd rather give Harkless and Crabbe his minutes to get a better idea if we want to keep them long term.
     
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    Draco Well-Known Member

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    Yes, he's also playing with 14 new players.

    Well 13 if you count the success him and Felton enjoyed in PDX.
     
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    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    It's not the lack of production that bugs me as much as it is the way he plays. He's selfish, and doesn't try on D.
     
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    Draco Well-Known Member

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    Wow Hendo has a PER of 3.2 and is shooting 33% FG and 27% 3pt, 36% on 2pt. He is 50% in FT. I knew it wasn't good but that's much worse than I thought.

    If he doesn't improve soon his stats will suck until February trade deadline regardless of his later performances. Just no way any contending teams will want to bring in a guy with those stats from a below average lottery team.
     
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    Right now, if given the choice, I'd rather see Crabbe try and fail to be a good player than to see Hendo not try and fail to be a good player. But it's too damn early.
     
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    I never really thought Henderson was more than a salary filler to make the trade work and a 1 year rental.

    More than anything my opinion of CJ and Crabbe has surpass Hendo.
     
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    Crabbe has come on and imo Harkless doesn't get as many minutes as he should. I would faze out Hendo entirely and make him the swingman version of Kaman (vet influence in practice) personally. Remember, it really isn't about this year....
     
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    Henderson was an OK vet who suffered a serious injury and is now consigned to a rebuilding team. I'm a little surprised they got him to even suit up. IMHO, it is 50/50 he just shuts it down and is never seen in PDX again.
     
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    Kinda unfair to run stats on him at this point. It's obvious watching him he's not in game shape (short on most his shots) and pretty unsure of his role. Once his mid-range game starts flowing stats aren't going to matter to a team that needs an additional scorer.
     
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    Right. Because they had the same surgery. The same contract. Etc. Easier to view Wesley as a shell of himself and Hendo still having potential with this team.
     
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    PDXFonz I’m listening

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    Apples to Oranges. Both players have an equal chance of contributing to their respectful teams in my opinion. I can't help but feel that the rose colored glasses might be clouding judgement on this one. I'm not saying that Wes will live up to his contract, or that he will even be the player he used to be. I'm just saying it sounds ludicrous to claim that Henderson could turn it around after struggling, but Wes cannot.

    I have an aching feeling that had we re-signed Wes to a favorable contract he would not be "done" as Nate has claimed on multiple occasions.
     
  12. Natebishop3

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    One is coming off minor hip surgery, and the other is coming off a torn Achilles.

    One also just signed a max contract, while the other is in his final year and is making 6 million.

    We also have CJ starting, while the Mavs have........... Raymond Felton?

    Wes was 3-12 and 0-8 from three last night.
     
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    PDXFonz I’m listening

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    The contract he signed should carry no weight as to whether or not he can contribute for his team.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    If we had signed Wes to a contract anywhere near what he's currently making, I would be furious right now. Hendo was contract filler. It's not rose colored glasses, it's no colored glasses. I couldn't care less about him. He's an afterthought. If he plays well, great, if he doesn't... I don't care. He's most likely gone after this season, while Wes would have been here for 4 more years. :dunno:
     
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    The contract makes a HUGE difference. Do you think the Mavs are thrilled with the production of their max player? We view the player through the lens of how much they're making and what their role is on the team. Wes was signed to be a major contributor. Has he been? He's averaging 10 ppg, 1.5 assists, 2 rebounds with a PER of 8.95. He's shooting 33% from the floor and 31% from three. He's fucking horrible right now. And if there wasn't a long history of players falling off drastically from torn achilles, you might have a leg to stand on, but you don't.
     
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    PDXFonz I’m listening

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    I think Wesley Matthews is going to go 0-8 last night if he makes 12 million less than he is actually making. Do you think he would be playing better/worse on a smaller/larger contract?

    You are not differentiating production from expectations.
     
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    I've watched more Mavs ball than any other non Blazer squad and in my view...Wes is the most overpaid role player in the league right now. He had one good 20pt game but everything else has been underwhelming..looks slow on the court and has no lift ..seems to have lost his lateral speed. Cuban said one of the riskiest moves he's made was the Wes contract. I like Wes but it's not looking great for him so far
     
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    His production is shit. He's playing 28 minutes per game and he's not producing what a starting shooting guard should be producing. You could start just about anyone and they would produce SOMETHING, but minutes in the NBA are finite and Wes is not living up to what a starting shooting guard should produce in the NBA. What makes you think he'll improve? Show me an example of a guy around his age coming back from that kind of injury and being as good as he was?
     
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    There were also questions as to whether or not he would be ready to go this early. There were talks that he wouldn't even be out on the court until Christmas time. I am also Lockean in the sense that I don't believe you can look at other players coming off an Achilles injury to say this is how Wes will be by the end of the season, or two years from now. Sure you can get an idea of how difficult is coming off of that injury, but all players are different. What riverman said below is spot on, but I think Wes can find his shooting touch and still be an effective offensive player in the league. His all around game will likely never be the same, but that's not to say he can't still be a successful NBA player.

    I agree right now it doesn't look good. But I think he's having to learn what its like without as much rise on his shots, and that is part of why his shooting % is atrocious. I think with time Wes will get his shot back, and can still be an excellent floor spacer. That being said, I don't think you would ever want to pay anyone as much as they are paying Wes with his current upside. But again the fact that the Mavs overpaid doesn't take away from the fact that he can still contribute for an NBA team.
     
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    He would play the same and people would be less upset because the production per million would be higher. Better value if he's cheaper.
     

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