The Veritable Quandary to Close - say it ain't so?!?!?!

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  1. BLAZINGGIANTS

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    Big Government!
     
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    As far as I can tell, the GOVERNMENT owned the patio area and was basically going to erect a huge building with construction right next to the restaurant, long time Portland institutions be damned.
     
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    ^Exactly. But they didn't HAVE to close.

    :smiley-195517897341
     
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    Not too smart either! Flood waters have reached up past 3rd street at least twice in the past 50 years. Why the hell would you build a new Court House in the flood plain?

    My office was about two blocks away when that place opened. We were just above one flood, and not quite another time but I was not working there by then.

    It seems funny, to me anyway, to see the restaurant referred to as a Portland insititution, but then it doesn't seem right to loose it. Somehow a restaurant in a flood plain seems alright,
    but a Court house seems very dumb.

    Oh! Why is the address Hawthorne ST in that article? Isn't Hawthorne on the East side and Madison on the West?
     
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    Probably for a river view?

    Moving it 10-12 blocks farther from the river would save the city about 40% of the land cost.

    Government buildings should be basic non-descript boxes designed to shelter workers and their equipment while they serve the citizens. They should not be multi-mega-million dollar monuments to architectural decadence.
     
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    Pretty sure (a) it will be built to withstand floods; and (b) only the parking garage will flood if it does.
    Also, the land was already owned by the county (it has an off-ramp running through it).

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    Government should own land. Fuck the people.
     
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    The should sell it. A court house does not need a river view, parking space would be good.
     
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    Uhm, which people are fucked, exactly, by the government owning that land?

    Maybe the criminals in the jail next door (which is why it is a good location for the courthouse - minimizes prisoner transport costs).

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    Not sure what your point is here.

    If GOVERMENT didn't own it, someone else would be erecting a huge building with construction right next to the restaurant, long time Portland institutions be damned.

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    That's speculation.
     
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    I loved that place. Sad to see it go. I have some amazing memories there.
     
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    Such a bummer. Place is always packed.
     
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    Why should prisoners and hanging judges get the great view? You rich guys have earned it.
     
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    That always looked like a place where people wore derbies and discussed the "ballyhoo" from the latest New Yorker article. I was usually down at the Ash Street Saloon puking my guts out after drinking too much PBR and cider.

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    The owner of the restaurant:

    "We explored a number of alternatives with the county to keep the restaurant open," said Mr. King. "I appreciate the efforts everyone made. In the end, the only viable financial alternative for me was to sell the property."

    "VQ" has been open at the location for the last 45 years, known as one of the early leaders in Portland's emerging culinary scene.

    And the patrons of the place.
     
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    What you may not realize, not being local, is that someone else would be likely be building on that site if not the government. It's a vacant lot downtown, and there aren't many of those left.

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    For 45 years, things were built around that location. Only when government decided to build did it kill a local institution and favorite of the people.
     
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    I don't blame the local government or the VQ owner. It is what it is. The government has the right to build on the land they own, part of which the VQ was using for what many considered the best patio in town. The VQ wouldn't have had the same vibe without the patio, and without the big windows overlooking the outdoors.

    I'm not quite sure why the owner felt he had no other option, though. He could have operated without the patio.

    That being said, government ruins everything. I blame Obama! :smiley-195517897341
     
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