Senators Whine About FCC's 25 Mbps Broadband Standard, Insist Nobody Needs That Much Bandwidth

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  1. MarAzul

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    uh, only if you store it locally, after one transfer over the net. It isn't like a TV broadcast, parallel out as many times as men can want.
     
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    WTF are you even talking about?!? I know all about that. I had a hacked Motorola Surfboard modem 10 years about. Paid a guy $50 and got free internet for 2 years until Comcast went to DOCSIS 2.0. That's not what we were talking about. I know Comcast updates my modem regularly.

    We were talking about the modem/router you rent from Comcast vs owning your own modem and router. You save money and it is more secure. Besides being an Apple fanboy you're for some odd reason a Comcast fanboy. My router is more secure than the router you rent from Comcast. It is also a better quality router, the Wifi is much better.
     
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    The real story is at the bottom of the OP. Since the FCC did this power grab, the providers are less and less willing to spend money to upgrade their infrastructure.

    TWC promised MAXX here in San Diego in Q4 of 2015. I am not holding my breath to see when they'll deliver (or not).
     
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    It's not "more secure."

    You are talking about something you simply know little about.
     
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    Psst... the blue font means you and click that for more indepth information within the Netflix website. If you click the blue ULTA HD it brings the webpage that I gave you.

    Seriously, what the fuck are you even arguing about?

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    http://www.geek.com/news/cable-modems-can-be-hacked-549584/

    After testing this trick on a few other cable modems, he decided that this was a security vulnerability because of the ability to capture data from other users on the attacker's node, or the ability to send huge amounts of data to a specified destination by taking control of the cable ISP's routers and gateway computers. Hallacy's report lays out in detail how to trick a DOCSIS-compliant cable modem into divulging its configuration file, then tells how to edit that file with an Open Source program.

    AT&T Broadband spokesman Andrew Johnson stated that although it takes potential security threats very seriously, the company was still investigating Hallacy's claims and had no immediate comment. CableLabs, the developer of the DOCSIS standard, stated that although the problem is real, it is not because of vulnerabilities in the standard itself, but flaws in the way that cable operators implement their networks. A feature in the DOCSIS standard called “Shared Secret Keys” allows cable operators to prevent users from making the sort of changes which Hallacy describes. 3Com no longer sells cable modems, and Motorola stated it has been notified of and will comply with a requirement from CableLabs to implement a change to its products, preventing subscribers from making these types of changes.
     
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  7. Denny Crane

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    Math.

    15.6 is less than 25.

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    You're the one talking about modems when I was talking about routers.

    I know that the wireless password from the Comcast Modem/Router was much shorter than the password I can set for my router. The longer the password the harder it is to hack.

    You have my IP address, hack me if you think it's so easy.
     
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    Again, what the fuck are you even babbling about? So you think it should be 15mbs instead of 25mbs? Great Denny.
     
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    Again, I know modems can be hacked. I use to own a hacked modem. I got free internet from Comcast from it, this was 10-12 years ago. It ran DOCIS 1.0, stopped working when Comcast switched to DOCSIS 2.0.
     
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    Hmm, I wonder how many of the 6 are Democrats and how many are Republicans...clicking on that link..."A group of Senate Republicans on Thursday expressed concern that the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) is setting the nation's Internet speed benchmark artificially high in order to justify more regulation."

    Yes, that must be the FCC's motive...more regulation for the sake of more regulation. The FCC motive couldn't possibly be to improve the middle class standard of living.

    If you don't know this already: Republicans see their jobs as existing to represent whomever gives them money. Almost all their money comes from rich contributors. So they don't want to waste money on the middle class.
     
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    This system is so fucking corrupt.
     
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    Dog eats $15.60 worth of food. So spend $25 and throw away $9.40 worth because, you know, $25 is better.
     
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    The thing is, I support nobody in this. Slypokerdog supports Amazon, Netflix and Google getting unfair laws and regulations passed on their behalf.

    http://www.opensecrets.org/usearch/?q=netflix&cx=010677907462955562473:nlldkv0jvam&cof=FORID:11
    $100,000 from Netflix CEO to Senate Majority PAC
    (Among others)

    http://www.opensecrets.org/usearch/index.php?q=google&cx=010677907462955562473:nlldkv0jvam&cof=FORID:11&siteurl=http://www.opensecrets.org/
    $250,000 Senate Majority PAC
    (Among others, they donated $1.9M total)

    http://www.opensecrets.org/usearch/index.php?q=amazon&cx=010677907462955562473:nlldkv0jvam&cof=FORID:11&siteurl=http://www.opensecrets.org/

    Amazon, Top Contributor to Member
    • Amazon.com to F. James Sensenbrenner Jr (R) in 2012
    • Amazon.com to Charles W. (Chip) Pickering Jr (R) in 2004
     
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    How exactly is re-definition of a term an unfair law or regulation?
     
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    You must spend $billions on new infrastructure to provide faster speeds so Netflix, Google, and Amazon can stream their video at no extra cost to them.
     
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    Or...they can just not advertise their service as "broadband"...? :dunno:
     
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    http://thehill.com/policy/technology/266770-fcc-accused-of-power-grab-on-broadband

    The commission is authorized to take steps to expand access when the annual report finds it lacking, which critics contend turns the report into a tool for amassing more authority.

    The FCC sparked controversy when it raised the benchmark speeds for wired broadband to their current levels last year and forced Internet providers to rethink their offerings.

    That decision seems certain to loom over the commission’s discussion on Thursday about the latest iteration of the report.

    “It's bad enough the FCC keeps moving the goal posts on their definition of broadband, apparently so they can continue to justify intervening in obviously competitive markets,” said Jim Cicconi, AT&T senior executive vice president for external and legislative affairs, in a statement earlier this month.“It's beginning to look like the FCC will define broadband whichever way maximizes its power under whichever section of the law they want to apply.”

    (You don't "need" 25mbits. 5mbits will be more than enough if you are doing VOIP, browsing the Web, reading and sending emails, etc.).
     
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    Anyhow...

    If I were shopping for a house, I wouldn't buy one in Cox Cable's service area. My experience is they're extremely well run but they have absurd data caps that serve no good purpose.

    Before the FCC got involved, the cable companies and phone companies were routinely working on and deploying technology to speed up their service. I remember a few years ago at CTIA (on CSPAN), the Cable Companies demonstrated 150mbit Internet (25mbit was the fastest around at the time) and were eager to deploy it.

    The carriers have this attitude I call "network boner syndrome." They all want the biggest, fastest, most bad ass networks they can build. Their business is building out and running WANs. They advertise their networks all the time (who has the best coverage, etc.).

    The Internet always has had "fast lanes." Yahoo! early on spent $billions making their site reachable under situations where the network is having issues. They did so by distributing servers all over the world, with the result being that some servers would (almost) always be reachable due to shorter network path between browser and server (on average). Akamai and others have built entire businesses around Content Distribution Networks (CDNs) where you can distribute the files that are part of your WWW pages to their servers that are located all over the world in tens of thousands of locations. They sell their service as "PREMIUM BANDWIDTH."

    A site like S2 doesn't warrant the use of a CDN due to its size. Google, Yahoo!, ESPN, etc., DO warrant the use of a CDN. An S2 user on the east coast has to fetch the RipCityTwo banner via the network and across the country, thousands of miles (think round trip, too), and all the potential congestion along the way. Fetching the google logo for their homepage is likely to access a server a few miles away, or even right on your ISP's network.

    People are using loaded terminology to scare the masses about what's going on. The Internet has grown and become technically advanced as time goes on. It was working exactly as it should have all along.
     
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