Official HCP's Win Total Prediction Goes Boom Thread

"Thats why since Jordan the Spurs are the only team to win a title with a top 3 pick."

LeBron James? Shaq?

 

But..... this makes no sense. You say the Spurs, Mavs, and Pistons are proof that you can win a title without a perennial All-Star?

Spurs won in 2014 - Tony Parker was an All-Star and All-NBA.

Mavs won in 2011 - Diark Nowtzki was an All-Star and All-NBA.

Pistons won in 2004 - Ben Wallace was an All-Star starter (2nd most votes) and All-NBA.

 

He has double the MVP's of Kobe and many other supposed "HOF" players.

He had a lot of average years; but those years in Phoenix he was nearly on the level as Steph Curry today.

 

Cavs and Magic haven't won a title.

 

Okay. I guess I missed that part of the discussion.

 

Does 5 or 6 really good years out of like 15 get you in the hall?


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Wallace made it because there weren't any other centers and the voting was different. Parker was good but he wasn't a dominant allstar. Dirk had a reputation as a great regular season player that couldn't carry his team in the playoffs.

We have Dame who is on the same level to all three of them. He is a multi time allstar and all NBA.

Its only after those teams won titles those players seasons were considered as great as they are now.

If we win a title 10 years from now some other teams fan board will have someone say "Of course those Blazers became contenders Dame was a dominant multi time allstar with series clinching buzzer beaters before they won their titles."

My argument is what other players do we need to add to our roster.

 

In his case probably because it had such a revolutionizing effect on the game.

Is there a back to back MVP not in the hall of fame?

 

He'd have to have some of he shittiest career averages of the last 20 or 30 years to make it in.


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Yeah thats why I specifically said in my post;

"Spurs are the only team to win a title with a top 3 pick"

 

Bill Walton averaged 13 PPG over 12 years.

And 39 games a season.

Nash doesn't come close to the top 10 of most undeserving

Drazen Petrovic
Earl Monroe
Calvin Murphy
Frank Ramsey
Gail Goodrich
Dave Bing
Dennis Rodman
Arvydas Sabonis ;(
Bill Bradley

 

I read it as the only team since Jordan to win with a player who was a top 3 pick. But I get what you're saying. I think historically most of the top players have moved to a team other than the one that drafted them before they were able to win a title. After all, crappy teams tend to get top 3 picks. Before restricted free agency, it was play out the rookie contract and then bye-bye.

 

This is mostly why I said the last 20-30 years because most of those guys couldn't even begin to hold a candle to the dudes currently in the league.

 

Im pretty sure he meant they can bake into that. Not that they are that now. And Im cool with baking that cake too.

 

That's like saying the you can throw a pile of dirt into an oven and it can bake into an apple pie. Just not gonna happen haha

 

they could have competed for a top 3 pick MAYBE if they hadnt acquired aminu, davis, or plums, and instead replaced those guys with d league all stars.

maybe, but probably not. probably more like 7th or 8th. and if we end up at around the 11th pick, neil has shown he can find a pretty good player around there. is going from 11th to 8th really that big of a deal? worth the cost of punting on an entire offseason/season?

bottom line is we need to get lucky! have crabbe, vonleh or some later pick become an all star. make a fortuitous trade and have them develop into an all star. some shit like that.

 

Or have Dame become a top 5 player in the league with averages of 27 and 8 with above average defense while McCollum becomes an allstar himself with average D while averaging 21 and 4