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  1. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    My cell phone bill for 2 phones is $180/month.

    Did I ever pay $180/month for two landlines with all the services? NO WAY.

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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    We gotta stop this fucker Denny. He's making a mint, telling his moderators to stir us up by pretending they're against him.

    If I ever own a message board, first thing is to hire me an Ed McMahon/Joe Biden type.
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    How much data do you use?
     
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    If you shrink any bureaucracy, jobs are lost. Minimally, middle management (good paying jobs, too). The business loses economies of scale so it has to lose employees (among other expenses) to be profitable.

    As far as Sanders' folly, any serious proposal like his would be passed by experts to see what the effects are. He has no clue what the effects are.
     
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    3G plan. On t-mobile, too. It includes the cost of the phone (monthly payments), but the cost of a landline phone is (and always was) a tiny fraction of the cost of a smart phone.
     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    Since when do Libertarians care about fewer jobs, or their effects? Profit efficiency is the whole idea of what you're trying to accomplish.
     
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    You have no clue what Libertarians care about.

    I care about paying more taxes for stupid and harmful programs. You should, too.
     
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    He's taking over the world with this message board. It's the perfect way to spread his gospel. Mark my word, Libertarianism will someday be renamed Dennyism.
     
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    If you said shrinking to remove a layer of a government bureaucracy, I would agree with you. However, most large companies are not run as inefficiently as our government, or the companies do not stay in business for long.

    If there is a big bank breakup, I believe most jobs would be shifted around to other companies. I do not believe there will be a shrinking of the bureaucracy. It will be more like flatting out the bureaucratic charts. Some mid-management may even receive a promotion when hired by a new start-up company, since the number of top level officers will increase.

    However, a breakup also provides an opportunity to lower the wage scale and benefits for the employees moving to new companies. It also provides a good time for big companies to get out from under some of their expensive retirement plan obligations by removing employees nearing retirement age.
     
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    Really big companies are nearly as irrational as government. Not many businesses bigger than these banks :)

    Proof of irrationality would be the financial collapse in 2008. They sure didn't make rational decisions, or they wouldn't have failed. Ditto for Government Motors.

    Reasons for irrationality can be turf, glory, petty relationships, bad information, ego, and even criminality, etc.

    Splitting up the companies adds massive costs to each of the companies. They all need their own computer systems, data centers, internet connections, office buildings, etc. And pity the fools, they'll each need their own bookkeepers and accountants. To pay for these expenses, they will cut other expenses. Salaries being the easiest one to trim.

    I'd also point out that it is consistent to not favor government interference in the economy and that means no bailouts and no breakups.
     
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    Wow 3G! And you're financing your phones with them.

    You're bragging that you never got to pay $180 for slow internet and to finance two phones. Hell of a deal, lol.
     
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    3 gigabytes.
     
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    Per phone?!?

    Wow, hell of a deal! (psst... I'm being sarcastic, that's not very good for what you're paying.)
     
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    Per phone. Maybe it's 6gig. Whatever it is, my phone bill has been several times higher than my land line ever was.

    And several of the baby bells have merged to become bigger companies. AT&T basically went out of business and it's assets were bought by bell south who assumed the name.

    AT&T was one of the first stocks on the stock market. It's so old it has a single letter, "T", for its symbol. Sears is another one, "S."
     
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    But included in your bill is the financing of your phone and internet service. As an old dude you can get a flip phone for $15 a month with unlimited calls. That's a more accurate comparison.
     
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    My Verizon bill was $180 for two lines and 10g shared data. I bought the phones outright.

    Copper lines are rotting away for lack of use. I do have a landline because I do a lot of business on the phone. At $29 with free long distance and call waiting/voicemail/etc., it's still more than I paid for POTS in the old days. It's also a bundle deal with internet and TV. Time Warner phone service.

    T-mobile charges $40/line just for voice calling. Data is extra.

    Verizon was similar.
     
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    That's a terrible deal.

    And anyone can get a better deal from Verizon then what you have, lol.

    http://www.verizonwireless.com/landingpages/verizon-plan/

    They must not like you.
     
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    Verizon cut their rates after I and millions of others bailed on their high prices. Competition is such a wonderful thing.

    Haven't you seen all the "come back!" Verizon ads on TV?

    AT&T was getting competition from Sprint and MCI, who ran competing networks. GTE was never a baby bell. There were other phone companies, too.
     
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    S is Sprint, not Sears.

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