Why draft picks will always have value

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  1. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    For those of you who say you'd rather be in the playoffs than have some mid-range draft pick -

    We had a mid-to-late draft pick last season (#23) and guess what it yielded?

    Mason Plumlee.

    The only guy who is actually performing in the playoffs right now. The guy who had 17 points off 5-7 shooting, 10 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals, and a block last night.

    So don't automatically assume that a draft pick = young player that can't/won't contribute. That pick is an asset, and it could be used to acquire a rotation player.
     
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    My question to you is this...

    Do you think the Playoffs have no value to this young team? If so, please explain your thoughts that this experience is meaningless compared to the draft pick?

    Otherwise your just beating a dead horse that we have all argued about for basically the whole season....
     
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    That value is worthless if half of those players are gone next season.

    Hendo
    Harkless
    Crabbe
    Leonard

    Dame already had experience.
    CJ had experience.
    Aminu had experience.

    That experience is negligible if the roster changes significantly next season. And our two best players have been to the playoffs, how are they doing right now? I honestly think "getting playoff experience" is one of the most overrated ideas among fans.
     
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    Did you meet with NO and he said that those guys wont be resigned?

    Your statement is based off of an if and that doesn't cut it. So if the bulk of the team is back next season then what?
     
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    That's exactly why we don't have the pick. That "rotation player" (aka - Afflalo) blew up in our face.
     
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    Nope. Playoffs > Pick.

    Oh wait, I mean...

    Not.
    Swayed.
     
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    Check your in box yo!
     
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    santeesioux Just keep on scrolling by

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    I don't see how showing our young players how to get blown out and swept in four games is more valuable than a draft pick.
     
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    Yeah, but you also said that LaMarcus wasn't leaving, so your credibility hasn't regenerated yet :devilwink:
     
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    But you ignored the fact that our guys with the playoff experience are the ones playing like crap, so why is it so valuable?
     
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    Sometimes you need to sniff the agony of defeat in order to figure out how to win. This happens all the time. Very rare for a bunch of new guys with no experience to get to the finals. It usually takes a year or two of early exits to get the experience enough to know what to do the next time around.

    Personally, I don't see how people think the playoffs aren't a worthy experience.
     
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    I didnt ignore, I dismissed. BEcuase alot of their game is predicated on the rest of the team. Poor screening, off the ball movement, etc. Our youngs are deers caught in the headlights and you cant expect Dame and CJ to overcome all that by themselves. They were keyed in on because everyone else sucked...
     
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    It will be valuable if we win one game. If we are swept in blowouts of every game, i think you cross that line where it might be more detrimental than positive.
     
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    The pick or the experience?
     
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    Yeah, getting swept is just teaching them how to be losers, which isn't good either.
     
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    The only thing worthy about this experience is that it has horribly exposed our team's deficiencies. I think Neil has a pretty clear picture of our strengths and weaknesses. As far as the players go, I'm not sure how you can quantify or qualify the value because each person learns differently, and we have no way of knowing how these guys internalize this experience.

    This is Dame's 4th playoff series, and I don't see any tangible benefit manifesting in his play. His defense has been mediocre. His shooting has been horrible. He has been forcing things. He has made mental errors. Where exactly is the benefits that we should be seeing from all his playoff experience?
     
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    The experience. Getting blown out repeatedly im not sure it will help much. It could, but im skeptical. If the young guys get a taste of playoff victory, i think it would make the experience much much more valuable.

    Ive been a big proponent of keeping the pick most of the year (in hopes of pulling another plumlee like deal), but im on board with the guys getting the experience if they can taste even a game of playoff success.

    Harkless, cj, aminu, crabbe, plumlee, dame as the official leader now could all learn from it as integral pieces of our team in this series. Its less important for davis, henderson imo.
     
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    I addressed Dames play as being reliant on the teammates. If they arent hitting shots opening things up then Dame is focused on and will play horrible because of that.

    This one your not gonna sway me on. :)

    The experience, like all experience for people in a new position is the best thing innitially to get going on the correct path. If not,k then they need to move on and this is for NO to decide, but I think the playoffs will give him a better idea than if we didnt make the playoffs. So therefore valuable in my opinion, for NO to have as much info like this as possible ot make the best decisions in the off season.
     
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    Sure, I can see your argument, but Dame isn't trusting his teammates. He's forcing things. He's playing exactly like a guy who is experiencing his first playoff series. I love the guy, but he's trying to do too much.
     
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    Would you be shocked if I agreed??
     

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