This sucker is absolutely dangerous! Shouldn't be allowed to speak to young people!

So getting shot in the top of your head automatically means that you're bull rushing the person that is shooting? Or does it mean that you were shot in your stomach first and that you doubled over?
Yeah... Again We don't run toward cops with guns. Ask Aaron Campbell and Michael Scott... Oh wait... You can't... They're dead...

I'm not overlooking any teaching moment. Black people have to teach our children something that you all do not. How to handle police because we know they will eventually be involved with some type of police contact. We teach our children all the time. Stop using the TV to learn. It's not helping.

 

Incidents like those appear to me to be cases where the cops involved should be charged with crimes. There are clearly cases where cops have gotten out of control and committed acts that are not within their roles as police officers. I'm 100 percent for holding cops accountable in those cases. But you know damned well that not all cops, or even the majority of cops, are like that. Using incidents like the ones you noted to demand that police improve what they do and spend more effort rooting out the bad ones in their midst is great. But don't pretend that there aren't things that can be improved in your own communities to make things better as well. This is a problem that has a lot of contributing factors and it's going to take leaders from all walks of life to get a handle on it and make it better. That's all I'm saying.

 

No, I don't wait for a sky spirits to bless me.

 

How police respond to any incident is completely on them and their training. Again, black people teach their children to stay the fuck away from the cops. The problem is we're tired of being treated like shit. The 14 year old girl that was held up against the car and choked the other day deserves justice. She committed the horrible crime of riding her bike while black. People will try to use the logic that we will not let Syrian refugees into our country because one of them might be a terrorist. If you have that type of idea, how don't you understand that we are afraid of ALL police because we don't know which one of them might be a murderer?

 

What is it about you guys that you love to take one sentence out of context and pretend it signals some huge, profound, hidden truth about Obama? It's so strange.

Here's the deal: He's a career politician, a great dad, Christian, leans center-left, respects the office a great deal, and the country is doing pretty good. Get over it.

 

I know it's anectodal but when I was in school taking a minority studies class (I forget the actual title of the class) the professor was saying the same thing. This was at the time when that Harvard professor got arrested trying to get into his own house. Professor was saying that blacks are treated poorly and making many of the same points you are. Anyway, there was a white kid in the class in a wheelchair who was getting all worked up saying cops can be far to violent and quick to shoot but it's not targeted at blacks. Turns out he ended up in the wheelchair becuase he was walking home at night carrying a sword, don't ask me why but he had one, and had headphones on. Cops told him to stop walking, he didn't hear, so they shot. Being shot at and not knowing why he tried to run, and then crawl away but they kept shooting. Shot him 9 times and paralyzed him.

My point in bringing it up is that, racist assholes aside, I think there are far more events where police are just scared and their judgement is clouded by it. We can say they are trained for that but then again, it's not our life on the line.

 

What happened in the wheelchair person's instance is an anomaly. One in a million chance that would happen. With regard to the above bolded statement, if you're scared, go to church. Don't be a police officer.

And are they REALLY trained? You should be have more than 21 weeks of fucking training to handle that shit. Why do ER doctors go to 6+ years of school? In Oregon, Police Academy is 16 weeks... 16 weeks, gun and a badge.... I'm sorry, but I believe our police officers should have to have a four-year degree and make 70-80K. Train for 4 years, get paid for it and you won't do something stupid to lose it.

 

Agreed that they could use a lot more training but no matter how much training you have, I think it's unreasonable to expect them to not be scared when they know their life could be on the line. How much training would it take for you to be put in that situation and not be nervous? Especially considering these aren't military guys who see a lot of action, they may be put in this situation once or twice in their lives.

Yeah, the kid in my class is an anomaly. I think the Eric Garners or the guy that was shot at Oakland bart station are anomalies too, we just hear about it more when there is a political angle.

 

Listen, dviss1, I'm a 63 year old white dude who's never experienced what it's like to be black and poor, or even lived in a neighborhood where that was the predominant population. I don't KNOW anything of consequence about how or why you feel the way you do about cops. I hear what you say and a lot of it rings true. I DO KNOW that I want the situation to get better. I also KNOW that in any endeavor I've been involved with in my life, nothing good happens until people start listening to each other and look for solutions. I, for one, am willing to support any and all efforts to make it better. There are a lot of white people who feel the same. That said, it doesn't get the black community out of it's responsibility to help by making changes from within. Yell like hell when there's an injustice and demand investigations and, where warranted, arrests of cops who cross the line. But unless we work together to try to make things better, nothing much is going to change.

 

You're correct, you don't know what's going on in our community nor what we teach our children. What you don't understand is that we've made these changes already. Just because you see some kids steal from the store doesn't mean that only black kids are doing it. And, even if he did steal from the store, he doesn't deserve to be shot for it. And if you think that he was bull rushing an armed officer like marAzul thinks, then I don't know where we go from there. People talk about black on black crime but white on white crime is less than 10% lower. Police are scared for absolutely no reason. Wilson was scared and that's why Brown is dead. My friend's brother James Perez was unarmed and killed by police 97 seconds after he was pulled over. Why was he tased AFTER he was shot? Cause the punk police officer was afraid of what a scary (unarmed) black man might do.

What people never talk about is the fact that police already have a description of the perp before they even have contact with them. And that they get to prepare their mind for a potential situation before it even occurs.

 

I find it very disturbing when anyone minimizes any situation like this.
Doesn't matter if it's one in a million, the fact the police shot any unarmed being is wrong. Wrong is wrong, it doesn't discriminate.
I don't think that's what you meant by it, as I've read many things you've said in the past.
But that statement does indeed come across like you're attempting to do so.. At least to me.

 

I didn't minimize anything. I simply said the truth. It is an anomaly. Should it be handled correctly on a case-by-case basis?Of course. Did I argue against that? What the fuck are you talking about? Stop deflecting.

 

I think you need to calm down because I'm not deflecting.
However comments like you just made can be said differently, especially when I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

I was simply pointing something out what bothered me and wanted clarification, because the post I quoted is far from clear and leaves grey area.
To me it didn't seem like you were treating all unjust police violence equally. Which from my post, I obviously have a real problem with.
Apologies for not being more clear on what I was saying.

 

Both can be deemed racist.
Choose to deem them what you wish.

 

I think it's stupid but hey it's his right.

 

So the word black slaves were called is a disparaging term. Not a racist remark. Okay. You're allowed to have your opinion. I support it.
My opinion however is, that word is racist.