Trade Would you trade CJ... The Super Duper Trade Thread!

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by PtldPlatypus, May 18, 2016.

?

Would you trade CJ for the Lakers' #2 pick.

  1. No--keep on the current course

    55 vote(s)
    78.6%
  2. Yes--gotta try for a superstar

    15 vote(s)
    21.4%
  1. Mediocre Man

    Mediocre Man Mr. SportsTwo

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    44,273
    Likes Received:
    26,815
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The cheese and bacon stuffed crust at pizza hut is way better than CJ can ever be in the NBA
     
  2. Jon

    Jon mr. 300

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2015
    Messages:
    1,770
    Likes Received:
    2,528
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Pizza Hut SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS
     
  3. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2008
    Messages:
    34,275
    Likes Received:
    43,615
    Trophy Points:
    113
    How many backcourts were better than Curry/Ellis in 2011? Those two combined for 42.7 ppg on 34.3 fga, both shooting over 45%. Breaking up that backcourt seemed to be a decent choice.
     
    BBert and Tunchi like this.
  4. Jon

    Jon mr. 300

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2015
    Messages:
    1,770
    Likes Received:
    2,528
    Trophy Points:
    113
    how the fuck do you get $30,000 of damages to carpets? the way this place was "damaged", it seems as though, to me anyways, he moved out and then someone broke in and had a party. either that or the landlords screwed with the house when he moved out. something just seems fishy to me about the charges and stuff. how to the landlords know it's Gatorade stains?
     
  5. Pinwheel1

    Pinwheel1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2008
    Messages:
    22,671
    Likes Received:
    15,108
    Trophy Points:
    113
    They did not like playing together though. CJ and Dame do. As much as I value Ellis, he does not always seem to fit in with his teammates on the court.
     
  6. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2008
    Messages:
    34,275
    Likes Received:
    43,615
    Trophy Points:
    113
    But is the issue whether or not the players like playing together, or whether or not their games complement each other in such a way that is conducive to winning a championship?
     
    Tunchi likes this.
  7. Jon

    Jon mr. 300

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2015
    Messages:
    1,770
    Likes Received:
    2,528
    Trophy Points:
    113
    ...because i sure as shit wouldn't. y'all should stop with the CJ trade stuff. the dude is a great asset to the team. why screw that up?
     
    HailBlazers and BlazerCaravan like this.
  8. KeepOnRollin

    KeepOnRollin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2010
    Messages:
    11,497
    Likes Received:
    5,679
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    North Idaho
    Actually, the reason the Warriors traded Ellis was two fold.

    1. He was a ball stopper according to their scouts. The flow of the offense was affected. And they wanted him to give Curry more shots in the backcourt (which he resisted).
    2. They had just drafted a very big SG by the name of Klay Thompson a few months before the deal and they were ready to turn the position over to him.

    Of course defense also contributed to it (as it does to our two guys) but I don't see CJ being a ball-stopper that doesn't get Lillard involved and I don't see where Crabbe is ready to be our Klay Thompson.

    So it is easy to throw out Curry and Ellis as the same situation as Dame and CJ but it just isn't when you look at it logically.
     
    BBert likes this.
  9. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2008
    Messages:
    34,275
    Likes Received:
    43,615
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The dude IS a great asset to the team, no doubt. But that doesn't mean that there's no way to improve the franchise's championship prospects by dealing him.

    And even if you're not in favor of trading him, discussion of the concept provides valuable insight into the fanbase's views of him as an individual player as well as he and Dame as a unit.

    This forum exists for the purpose of facilitating conversation. Why would you want to quash that?
     
    Eastoff likes this.
  10. BlazerCaravan

    BlazerCaravan Hug a Bigot... to Death

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2008
    Messages:
    28,071
    Likes Received:
    10,384
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'm done trading Jermaine for Dale Davis over and over again. I don't care if I'm called irrational for overvaluing our talent; I AM IRRATIONAL. BIG FUCKING DEAL. I like CJ and want him with us for as long as possible.
     
    42N8Bounce and HailBlazers like this.
  11. AquaXI

    AquaXI Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2015
    Messages:
    385
    Likes Received:
    505
    Trophy Points:
    93
    We need this Satire, trading CJ has become an obsession on this board.
     
  12. Sinobas

    Sinobas Banned User BANNED

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2009
    Messages:
    14,608
    Likes Received:
    5,486
    Trophy Points:
    113
    For 1 bundle of sticks?
     
    Last edited by a moderator: May 19, 2016
    Jon likes this.
  13. Daweez04

    Daweez04 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2013
    Messages:
    536
    Likes Received:
    297
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Occupation:
    Senior Buyer
    Location:
    Beaverton
    I love CJ, but if you can't sign what we are missing in FA, but can trade for him using CJ, and sign a Derozen, it has to at least be discussed.
     
    PtldPlatypus likes this.
  14. KeepOnRollin

    KeepOnRollin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2010
    Messages:
    11,497
    Likes Received:
    5,679
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    North Idaho
  15. Sinobas

    Sinobas Banned User BANNED

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2009
    Messages:
    14,608
    Likes Received:
    5,486
    Trophy Points:
    113
  16. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2008
    Messages:
    34,275
    Likes Received:
    43,615
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Although 2011 Ellis and 2016 CJ are much more similar than you're willing to accept, I didn't say it's the same situation. Not at all. What I said was that they were a highly productive backcourt (with a much worse supporting cast that year than we have now), and management found a way to improve the team that involved separating that backcourt. The premise wasn't that we're in the same situation as them; the premise was that a backcourt's high productivity shouldn't necessarily preclude separation thereof to facilitate greater improvement.
     
    Tunchi likes this.
  17. e_blazer

    e_blazer Rip City Fan

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    24,052
    Likes Received:
    30,037
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Consultant
    Location:
    Oregon City, OR
    Jumping in here withe my humble opinion, if CJ couldn't play the point as effectively as he does, I'd be inclined to agree that moving him makes sense. But since he does play the point so well, he makes for a situation where the Blazers can mix and match lineups so effectively that it makes them dangerous even when Dame is out of the game. That's a luxury that not many teams have. Ellis couldn't play the point, so his only position was as an undersized 2G. I'd much rather keep Dame and CJ, re-sign Crabbe, and use the max contract space to get an established PF or C.
     
    42N8Bounce likes this.
  18. KeepOnRollin

    KeepOnRollin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2010
    Messages:
    11,497
    Likes Received:
    5,679
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    North Idaho
    Ok I can agree with all that but with a cavet.

    It still goes back to it was much easier for them to do that and a much smarter choice because of the alternative they had.
    If we aren't trading CJ for a SG (which is almost a given - as you wouldn't move him for the same position unless you thought it a win - and then why would the other team want to lose?) then you are probably also moving him for a big (like they did) which is great in theory but doesn't help us anymore than keeping CJ in my mind due to the big hole at SG.

    So their situation allowed them to make that deal where ours does not give us as big of a luxury. So the comparison in style is fine but they didn't move the player only due to style as much as they moved the player due to him being a knucklehead and needing to improve in other areas while simultaneously opening up time for a young stud to come in. We only check mark 1 of those 3 unlike them check marking all 3.
     
  19. e_blazer

    e_blazer Rip City Fan

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    24,052
    Likes Received:
    30,037
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Consultant
    Location:
    Oregon City, OR
    Some threads should be merged in the recycle bin.
     
    BlazerBeav likes this.
  20. Nate

    Nate #itsokaytobewhite #wakandaforever BANNED

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    2,663
    Likes Received:
    1,725
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Fuck it. Let's trade dame for the first pick and Cj for the second.
     
    BBert likes this.

Share This Page