Trade Would you trade CJ... The Super Duper Trade Thread!

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Would you trade CJ for the Lakers' #2 pick.

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  1. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Well, going back to the original premise of the thread, the question was actually about moving CJ for a small forward (Ingram, whom I assume will be the #2 pick). And the basis for that is not the expectation that the deal would make us better in 2016-2017, but that it might put us on a better trajectory to be a title contender by 2018-2019.
     
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    GriLtCheeZ "Well, I'm not lookin' for trouble."

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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Although I disagree with your basic premise (I'm not really a fan of the way CJ plays the point), I can understand the thought process, and it's why I'm optimistic about this team's future, with or without CJ.
     
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  4. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Though you say it in jest, it would be fascinating to see how those two could coexist, with Simmons' passing and Ingram's outside stroke. I wouldn't be surprised if Simmons/Ingram would be a better pairing going forward than Dame/CJ.
     
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    CJ certainly has room for improvement as a distributor, but given that he played this season with a second unit that was somewhat devoid of other scoring options, I think he did a pretty good job. Also, it was only his first year playing significant minutes at that position. He's such a talented ball-handler, I think he's only going to get better.
     
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    It is a great thought exercise for sure. I don't have a problem at all discussing it. What I fail to see is how it makes us better like a similar (but then again much different) deal did for GSW.

    You all must think MUCH more of Ingram and Simmons than I do. I see Ingram as Tayson Prince and Simmons as Lamar Odom. I know we are projecting here but I am very confident in saying this isn't a Durant/Oden situation at all.
     
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    I think Ellis' game could have complimented Curry's game resulting in a championship....... if Ellis was ok with sharing the big moments. Ellis was the star and Curry was the new guy.

    In Portland, Dame was the star at the beginning of the season and CJ was the new starter, but Dame did not have a problem with sharing the big moments with CJ. Dame and CJ are tight. Ellis and Curry were not. (More like Dame and LMA IMO) So long term I think it is best if you compliment one another and like playing together.
     
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    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    Last season
    CJ had 341 assists. 41 were to Dame. (12 %)
    Dame had 511 assists. 95 were to CJ. (21%)

    In 2010-211,
    Monta had 450 assists, 55 were to Steph. (12%)
    Steph had 432 assists, 80 were to Monta. (19%)

    Lotsa caveats and assumptions, but pretty freaking similar.
     
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    True, I do have a much higher opinion of Ingram. I think he's going to be a much better player overall than Simmons, and think he has Durant-level potential. Every game I watched, he impressed me, both with his handles on the drive and ability to finish in traffic, and his ability to score off the ball in catch-and-shoot situations. Plus with his length and defensive instincts, I see him as an above-average defender at the SF spot from day 1.
     
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    Lol dogshit Derozan for CJ? Bye.


    Enough with the CJ talk. Lillards best friend and the 2nd piece to our 2nd best backcourt in the league. He's not going anywhere.
     
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    DeRozan isn't worth it.
     
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    Meehhh, we all watched the fourth quarter of game 5, right? CJ was cooking Curry, but Dame chucked so much in the end of that game. I know Dame says all the right things and definitely does let CJ shine at times. But with the season on the line, he went one on one exclusively. (even with CJ on fire).

    There's a reason Terry staggers their minutes, and it doesn't just have to do with spreading out talent on the bench. They both play well when they have the ball in their hands. Still. It's just been one season. We'll see how they grow.
     
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    Damn I forgot about that backcourt. It kinda downplays the dame/cj backcourt when I hear that
     
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    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I don't think trading CJ will get the Blazers anything better then they possibly could sign, in the sense that the cost of losing CJ + who they traded for, is not better than CJ and whoever they can sign.
     
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    I got proposal in trade that don't include CJ. Teague from Atlanta goes to Philly and okafor goes to Portland and Plum goes to Atlanta. This is pretty even trade for all parties and it went through ESPN trade machine and it can be completed.
     
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    I agree.. Then you remember late in that game, Terry drew a iso play for Dame, that he ended up shooting a step back tough shot that missed badly. I dont get why CJ doesnt have end of game plays drawn for him much more
     
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    I really don't think that disputes what I said at all, unless you think Dame intentionally froze CJ out because he was jealous.
    Which I don't buy.
     
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    Not at all.

    Just kinda refuting the idea that the two have some sorta synergistic relationship.

    And the spotlight sharing thing. Dame's usg and FGAs trump CJ's at end of games consistently.
     
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    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Hey we should all start a thread everyday with hypothetical trade scenarios involving CJ! Wouldn't that make the off season on here just the best? Keep it to one thread dorks!
     
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