Golden State Warriors: Overrated or No?

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Are the Warriors overrated?

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  1. Denny Crane

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    There are 361 schools playing NCAA men's basketball. There are 18,150 high schools with basketball teams. There are 30 x 15 = 450 roster spots in the NBA.

    There odds of making the NBA are really small. 450 in 361*15+18,150*15*(some number of years)

    There are maybe a couple hundred International teams, most of them not very good.
     
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    So if you dilute the talent of the teams back then, you get what we have today?

    Seems you're making my point for me :)
     
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    I was talking about the overall population. I should've clarified that.
     
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    I just feel like so much of these discussions is basically a bunch of old guys sitting around complaining that they don't write music like they used to.
     
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    People don't like change!
     
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    Or it's old guys watching the decline of the play in the league.

    The league was worse before the ABA merger, for a few years, than after. That's quantifiable as well. Number of superstars divided by number of teams.
     
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    Bosh. Really?

    He's shouldn't be in the hall of fame.

    The Heat got to advance in the playoffs against 8th seeds that didn't win .500 of the games. Same may be true of the L*kers.

    What kept OKC from being as good as those old teams is the CBA. They had to let Harden and others go to avoid luxury tax.
     
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    Through 13 years of their careers, Bosh and McHale actually match up pretty evenly.

    http://www.basketball-reference.com...boshch01&y2=1993&p2=mchalke01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=
     
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    Look at per 36 stats, or per 100 possessions, or advanced stats. The similarity is undeniable. Also compare to Parish through 13 years. All around the same level.

    Bosh is basically equal to McHale and Parish, and Wade is a cut above.
     
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    McHale had to put up his numbers against Ewing and Olajawon.

    Bosh got his against Rolo.

    The opposition matters.
     
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    If you're going to back your assertion that past eras' players are better than the current era's players by simply further asserting the same, then this discussion can go nowhere.
     
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    The game has changed just as much as the players have.

    Some of the past greats would perform much differently in today's game.
     
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    Comparing stats from different eras is pointless.

    You might infer the rules changes greatly benefit today's players.

    [​IMG]
     
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    This generation is better at certain skills than the previous generation. The level of play going down argument is bullshit.

    Legends build over time.

    The league is bigger.
     
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    So bosh never played against Duncan or Shaq or amere or Howard or gasol or Ben Wallace. Cmon man....
     
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    No, people just don't like change. The same stupid argument goes on in the Marine Corps everyone thinks that they're "old corps" and anyone that came after then just sucks. Until you prove them wrong. But then they still think they're better cause they're "old corps".
     
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    First of all, Bosh isn't as good as those guys... But:

    Duncan, Shaq, Amare, Howard, Gasol, Ben Wallace. He hasn't been playing against Shaq for the past 6 years, or Ben Wallace for the past 5.

    Vs.

    David Robinson, Kareem, Ewing, Moses Malone, Artis Gilmore, Jack Sikma, Daugherty, Mark Eaton, Hakeem, Alvan Adams, and Ralph Sampson. Almost all those guys played several seasons against one another, at the same time.

    I left out a few lesser guys who would be elite in the league today. Tree Rollins was as good as DeAndre Jordan, for example.
     
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    I never said he was, I was just naming a couple of guys. You tried making it seem like bosh has never played against anyone good... That's a ridiculous argument.
     
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