California governor signs stringent new gun control laws

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    SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Gov. Jerry Brown signed six stringent gun-control measures Friday that will require people to turn in high-capacity magazines and mandate background checks for ammunition sales, as California Democrats seek to strengthen gun laws that are already among the strictest in the nation.


    Brown vetoed five other bills, including requirement to register homemade firearms and report lost or stolen weapons to authorities.

    The Democratic governor's action is consistent with his mixed record on gun control. Some of the enacted bills duplicate provisions of a November ballot measure by Democratic Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom. Some of the vetoed measures also appear in Newsom's initiative.

    "My goal in signing these bills is to enhance public safety by tightening our existing laws in a responsible and focused manner, while protecting the rights of law-abiding gun owners," Brown wrote in a one-sentence message to lawmakers.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2016/07/california_governor_signs_stri.html
     
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    Another reason to vote for Trump.

    This will go to the court, probably close to the time a new justice is confirmed.

    Infringement, for sure.
     
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    Considering the Supreme Court didn't throw out Connecticut's new gun control laws, it's unlikely that California's will get nixed. There's nothing unconstitutional about these laws...they're ones that could be adopted federally if Congress agreed on them. States can certainly put them into effect on a state level.

    The second amendment prevents complete bans on guns...it says nothing about things like background checks or what types of guns or magazines must be publicly available.
     
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    Background checks on ammo.... so what if you reload your own shit?
     
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    Slippery slope isn't it! Do I need a background check to buy an RCBS press? I can reload or make fishing lures with it.
    When you start infringing on rights, there is no end to
     
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    No it does not. The words complete or guns is not mentioned. The words, Right and Infringed are salient though.
     
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    What constitutes "infringement" has always been up to interpretation. The first amendment, for example, can be legally infringed to prevent dangerous actions (the classic example is that you are not allowed to yell "fire" in a crowded theater when there is no fire).

    That's why I said that all it guarantees is no full ban on guns. That would be a negation of the right. Beyond that, what "infringes" is up to the courts.

    (As for the word "guns" not being present, it's generally accepted, as far as I've seen, that the word "arms" refers to guns. Otherwise, it would require that there could be no restrictions on rocket-launchers, nuclear bombs, etc. Even the NRA's leadership doesn't go quite that far.)
     
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    Minstrel needs some basic training.

    This is your weapon,
    this is your gun,
    this is for fighting,
    this is for fun.

    Arms are weapons.
     
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    Welcome to the People's Republic of California.
     
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    I love that part of the Constitution.
     
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    Actually, the first line is "This is my rifle," not "This is my weapon."

    So arms are rifles? How Canadian of you. Sounds like you agree that handguns should be restricted. ;)
     
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    california has a higher gdp than france, #6 in the entire world actually. pretty interesting to think about.
     
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    actually they could pass the UK and become 5th any day now if they keep shitting the bed.
     
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    Kind of funny how they've driven much of the TV and movie industry out of the state and are working on driving tech out of the state, too.

    Talk about killing the golden goose.
     
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    I fucking hate California, and they're all coming up here too... Blah
     
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    You mean the part that doesn't mention gun?
     
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    Canadian was not spoken on the Decatur grinder.
     
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    No.

    I like guns. I own guns. And unlike you I respect guns.
     
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    So did anyone read the actual article? It was interesting the parts that the Governor vetoed. It was also interesting how instead of making one giant piece of gun legislation they instead broke it down into individual laws. I'm guessing this was done so if something gets overturned by the courts the rest of the legislation is still enforced.

    So you guys really think these laws are bad?

    The new law will require ammunition sellers to be licensed.

    He also opted to require a background check before a gun can be loaned to someone who isn't a family member.

    No need to answer, Marazul, we already know what you think about this.
     
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    Do you find humor in this?
     
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