Zombie FBI Press Conference on Hillary Clinton

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  1. Denny Crane

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    Litany of lies.
     
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    Since when were dogs able to vote?
     
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    Politicians are liars. They get away with it because the public is quick to forget yesterdays news. Nearly every politician throws out some mealy-mouthed answer or avoids answering out right. It all becomes second nature to these fucks.

    Honest people can all agree that Hillary, like all politicians, lie and bend the truth regularly. Sadly, Trump is even worse than her as a potential president so we are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

    I put it to the republicans out there again. Trump the best you got? Because you guys can't field a better alternative, the fucking country loses and thus WE ALL lose.
     
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  4. Further

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    If we were voting just based on trustworthiness, I'd go with Gary Johnson, as he is clearly more honest than Hillary or Trump. However, the majority of what I will vote for is policy, and I wholeheartedly disagree with the Libertarian platform. So I will vote for Hillary most likely, with a slight chance of political abstinence. Trump is equally, if not more dishonest than Hillary, plus I don't like his policies. Also, I believe he is either racist and misogynistic or he is willing to act racist and misogynistic to get a lowest-common-denominator type of voter, which is disturbing to me.
     
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    Us liars and politicians can agree too.
     
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    I was pointing my finger at Hillary true believers there.

    But your point is well taken.

    Even liars and scum, esp. politicians, 100% of whom are liars I will add since I was clearly not clear enough that I was painting them all with a broad brush, can agree that Hillary is an out and out unrepentant liar and consummate inveigler.

    Yet STILL a better presidential option than Trump. A nominee that the republicans have to be dragged and cajoled in to supporting. Which makes every other serious republican nominee look even worse that they couldn't get the nomination.

    Seriously, I wonder what they say behind closed doors about their failed platform. Are they thinking about reforming it? Or are they going to quadruple down on their failed methods? FFS give the people a reasonable option over the democrats!
     
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    Of course Trump isn't the best the Republicans have, anymore than Hillary is the best the Democrats have. Trump is the beneficiary of right wing outrage over Obama's policies on a myriad of subjects. Trump played on those hot buttons like a gigolo fingering the g-spot on a 70 year old woman. Dumbasses were so busy feeling the love that they didn't stop to consider that gigolos aren't exactly quality material for long term relationships.
     
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    Well said.
     
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    Ha! I was just wondering what he could possible consult on without some of that elitist crudeness leaking.
     
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    Elitist! Ha! That's rich. Next time you have your yacht in town, I'll bring the can of pork and beans to the barbecue.
     
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    Glenn Greenwald weighs in.

    https://theintercept.com/2016/07/05...ing-secrecy-violations-until-hillary-clinton/

    Washington Has Been Obsessed With Punishing Secrecy Violations — until Hillary Clinton

    Had someone who was obscure and unimportant and powerless done what Hillary Clinton did – recklessly and secretly install a shoddy home server and worked with Top Secret information on it, then outright lied to the public about it when they were caught – they would have been criminally charged long ago, with little fuss or objection. But Hillary Clinton is the opposite of unimportant. She’s the multi-millionaire former First Lady, Senator from New York, and Secretary of State, supported by virtually the entire political, financial and media establishment to be the next President, arguably the only person standing between Donald Trump and the White House.

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    The fact that Clinton is who she is: that is undoubtedly what caused the FBI to accord her the massive benefit of the doubt when assessing her motives. Her identity, rather than her conduct, was clearly a major factor in his finding nothing that was – in the words of Comey – “clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice.”


     
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    I might eat them with you if I can avoid the disdain.:cool2:
     
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    The best candidate is the one that each party is most confident will win the election for their interests. So Hillary IS the best candidate by what matters, not an idealistic view of what best means.

    Trump is NOT the best candidate by either metric. And if the best seasoned experienced republican candidates can't outdo the caricature of themselves, who is to blame? It isn't only that Trump was the beneficiary of 8 years of Obama hate, real and fabricated -- drones/birther -- etc. It is also the lack of a republican candidate that could inspire the whole country, meanwhile resorting to dog whistles, pandering, and political business as usual which hasn't worked well enough, lately, and will continue to not work well enough. Face it, every establishment candidate was god damn awful!

    The republican message needs an overhaul, pure and simple. Ozzy and Harriet is not coming back, so get with the program and take the BS slogans to heart and make America Great, period! Not "again" and not just for your own ideology and interests. Every time I see or hear a republican, or anyone else in politics to be frank, talking about America First, I think about the gridlock and the petty partisanship that keeps nearly everything in a standstill.

    America First my ass. It's Us First... And if we don't get our way and all of it our way, we're going to take the ball and hide it so nobody can play. Shit is old...

    Sorry, needed to vent.

    Cheers
     
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    Hillary is only the "best candidate" by that metric because she's running against Trump. Well that and the fact that Comey decided to punt on the charges he could/should have recommended. Trump was able to gain traction early because there were so many other candidates that it split the vote of the more traditional Republicans. That, combined with the general anger about so many of Obama's policies among Trump supporters led to him getting the nomination. It's a mistake that the party will pay for with the election of Hillary. That said, anyone of either party who celebrates such a lame and deceitful person getting the presidency should really question their own political motives.
     
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    David Gergen

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/05/opinions/fbi-clinton-decision-gergen/index.html

    Indeed, the more one studies the Comey statement, the more scathing it becomes -- and the more suggestive that their decision on prosecution was a close call. As Chris Cillizza of the Washington Post quickly pointed out, Comey blew holes in the narrative that Clinton and her aides have asserted for months -- that none of the emails coming and going were marked classified, that she had her system set up for personal convenience (it turned out to cause lots of inconvenience), that her aides were meticulous in separating out personal versus professional emails, etc. Pretty clearly, Comey found the whole episode revolting.

    It won't be lost on the public, either, how close a call it appears to have been recommending against charges. Under the federal espionage statute, a person can be charged with a felony by intentionally mishandling classified information -- and the FBI did not find intentionality on Clinton's part. OR, says the statute, a felony occurs when a person acts with "gross negligence" in mishandling classified information.

    The FBI had to decide whether she acted with "gross negligence." It concluded that she did not. Instead, said Comey, the FBI concluded that she was "extremely careless."

    "Gross negligence" vs. "extremely careless": Is there really much difference? To many in the public, that sounds like hair splitting, a distinction without a difference. Lawyers will argue that one until the cows come home. But what is obvious is that to have a decision turn on such fine differences means that the FBI investigators themselves must have thought this wasn't an easy case to resolve. Jacob Gershman at the Wall Street Journal captured the point, and from this perspective, at least, the Clinton folks walked right up to the edge of the law.
     
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    I have the six pack of PBR.
     
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    Nope. It's a fine and patriotic thing to celebrate Trump not getting elected. Any day Trump does not get elected is a great day for the country.

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