OT Alton Sterling

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  1. Spud147

    Spud147 Mercy Mercy

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    That's a big assumption but it doesn't take away from the fact this is a problem that needs to change. This is destroying race relations in our country. It can't keep happening!
     
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    bulls_with_booz We're Selfish

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    If I have a gun on me it doesn't justify a cop shooting me. It wasn't in his hands, another officer was right on the other side of him, I don't care what he had on him or what he was doing beforehand, killing him wasn't justified.
     
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  3. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    I'm concerned I might get shot regardless. And I especially fear for my friends who aren't lily white.
     
  4. bulls_with_booz

    bulls_with_booz We're Selfish

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    It's clear cops are either racially biased or are horribly under trained. You'd think shooting somebody would be a last resort, God forbid they grab his other arm or taser him.
     
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  5. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    Actually it would be the first resort since he had a gun on him and they thought he was trying to get it. That's actually how they are trained if they feel a threat.
     
  6. Sedatedfork

    Sedatedfork Rip City Rhapsody

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    so, if he had a license to carry a gun, this changes the situation how exactly?
     
  7. Minstrel

    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    An imminent mortal threat. Not a vague, if-several-preventable-steps-happen threat. Even if he was reaching for a gun, which is far from established, there's no way he could have gotten it out and started firing before being restrained. Try applying common sense first, rather than your usual "BRO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGHT THIS LIBERAL PC GARBAGE" ethos. Bro.
     
  8. blue32

    blue32 Who wants a mustache ride?

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    They were called there Bc a report of him brandishing a gun.

    He resisted arrest because he's a career criminal.

    Resisting arrest when a cop thinks you have a gun Bc that's why their there is bad news.

    As they were restraining him he was reaching for something.

    Does that warrant a shot? IDK. To be determined...

    But people saying he is innocent is incorrect.
     
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    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    He would have been required to take a gun safety course. Probably would have been more responsible instead of being all GRAND THEFT AUTO THUG LIFE and not have brandished the gun at a homeless person nor resisted arrest.
     
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    bulls_with_booz We're Selfish

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    So let me get this straight, an obese black man with one arm behind his back with two officers that are close to his upper body, is such a threat they need to shoot him five times? His hand wasn't close to his gun at all. Let's pretend he did get the gun, which if he did I think it's justified, the odds of him getting a shot off are astronomically low. According to some people, he was about to do this.

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  11. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    Yes. If he is attempting to reach for a firearm, the police are in imminent danger and are allowed to use lethal force.
     
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    blue32 Who wants a mustache ride?

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    Unfortunately that is not how they are trained.
     
  13. bulls_with_booz

    bulls_with_booz We're Selfish

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    I've watched the video over and over and I don't see him reaching for his gun. Even from the second angle. It was to me most likely a royal fuck up on the cops fault, nothing race related. If these cops are so useless without a gun and resort to it that early, the bar should be raised.
     
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    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    Common sense dictates that if he is reaching for his gun during a struggle/altercation, he is going to use it and the police officers (and the public in general) are in danger. That in by itself is enough for them to use deadly force and is totally justified. You have to stop the threat before it escalates. There's no "liberal PC garbage here", this is pretty cut and dry.
     
  15. EL PRESIDENTE

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    If they think he's reaching for his gun, that's often enough justification.
     
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    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    What happened before he was on the ground?
     
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    bulls_with_booz We're Selfish

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    >if they think

    Isn't the same as, you know, him actually reaching for his gun. Black man moves his pinky finger and the cops will say he's reaching for a gun, kek.
     
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    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    Based on the video it seems like a reasonable assumption. He was not in compliance and his hand/arm was moving. He was not restrained. You can't second guess decisions made in real time.

    Look, if you argue and become combative with cops you're going to be in a situation where they will probably shoot you if you get in a situation where they tackle you and one of the cops yells "he's got a gun" while his arm is still free. They can only assume any movements is to reach for the gun and start shooting. Again, he put himself in this situation. You can't "keep it real" with the cops, especially if you've been brandishing your gun at people on the street.
     
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    It's like you don't even know what terms mean. "You need to stop it before it escalates, by escalating it to shooting him." Stopping it before it escalates means restraining his arm, not killing him.
     
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    bulls_with_booz We're Selfish

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    Until it's proven he was reaching for a gun or some new info comes out, I just don't see it. It must be because I live in Canada and our police don't kill as quickly.
     
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