2 officers shot at Dallas Texas police protest

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  1. Minstrel

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    I agree that there are other issues that also need to be addressed, but it's not mutually exclusive. It's reasonable to pursue action on a number of fronts: domestic terrorism, mental care, police accountability, the tone of the dialog--and fairly straight-foward gun measures, like restrictions on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines as well as background checks (measures that are, incidentally, broadly popular among the US population).

    If we could only do one thing at a time, we could debate whether gun control should be that one thing. But we don't have to do just one thing at a time and we've never, as a nation, worked towards only one goal at a time.
     
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    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    Actually no, I don't have statistics currently in hand, though I suspect I can easily find them. But in this instance it would be like asking me to provide statistics to prove Damian Lillard is a great ball player. I trust my eyes and ears to confirm it. Not everything in life needs (IMHO generally overrated) statistics to prove a point. Especially this particular point. Proof is everywhere around us virtually daily. And yes, most definitely I'm on an emotionally charged rant that has nothing to do with what media does or does not want. I base my rant on spending 62 years of life watching the same old bullshit play out year after year while we engage in the same old rationalization so and shit never changes except for the worst.

    When the KKK makes threats against black lives, we generally just laugh at them as the ignorant clowns they are, despite their violent history against blacks. We don't take them seriously because they don't threaten white lives, therefore we have no skin in the game. We certainly don't spend a whole lot of time trying to respect the black perspective in these instances. But let an angry black man threaten a white life and we run screaming for our lives and our guns. I am truly befuddled by how cold whites are in general to issues that negatively impact minority lives. I have finally and truly come understand the meaning of white privilege.
     
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    I've never judged the police as a whole by the relative few who murder members of the public. I'm quite certain that 99.9% of the police force are perfectly normal and good people. But A. I do think police, as the enforcement arm of the government and therefore given legal sanction to levy deadly force, have a greater duty toward responsible, non-escalatory process and accountability and B. there have been clearly corrupt police forces in parts of the nation, which underscores the need for proper oversight and regulatory processes.
     
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    From a black perspective, maybe blacks feel the danger from police is too great, so they won't call....problem solved for both sides.....
     
  5. Chris Craig

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    Police are ill trained and react to quickly. There are a lot of good cops out there and a small percentage that are making a bad name for them. Now Police officers killing black men has evolved to black men sniping police officers...This is all so fucked up. All Lives Matter.
     
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    If 99.9% are normal/good people, then it seems they are responsibly fulfilling their greater duty toward non-escalatory process and accountability. So I'm not sure what you want?

    Regarding B, there are corrupt people in all aspects of society, politics, business, you name it. Systems are put in place, as they already are in law enforcement, for oversight and regulatory processes, but it still happens. It's great to want to reform the world, but I think you'll find it's never going to work 100% of the time.
     
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    Accountability for those who actually do murder people, which may cause other so-inclined individuals to think twice, for one thing.

    If your position is that every system and process in the world is already the best it can be, with no possibility of improvement, then we disagree. There's a difference between wanting perfection and simply wanting to improve what currently exists.
     
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    I'm all for that. What did Dallas have to do with the accountability of these murders?

    The best it can be? Ha, definitely not. What are these black lives matter protestors specifically suggesting as a means to improving the current system? Honest question, I don't know the answer. I do think it's weird that law enforcement accountability only becomes a heated debate and creates nation-wide protests when a white cop kills a black man. It's the same cyclical insanity whenever a mass shooting takes place; it's suddenly about gun control and then nothing happens. Maybe my real problem is I'm too cynical to think anything's going to change for the better. The only result I see from all this is things getting worse.
     
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    Cool, then we basically agree.

    I have no idea. Connecting instances of violence with clear "X caused Y" statements is dangerous and probably not even possible. It could have just been a mentally unstable person who had no connection to anything else. Or there could be a link. And, of course, there's certainly no justification for the Dallas events, no matter what factors led to it.
     
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    What some of you don't know and the press isn't reporting hardly at all is that yesterday's protest wasn't organized by BLM. It was organized by this group - http://nextgenerationactionnetwork.com/




    The Next Generation Action Network is a multi-cultural not for profit organization founded in August of 2014. As an organization our mission is to lobby for social change and equality for all regardless of race, religion, nationality, gender or age.

    Our Vision


    To cultivate young leaders driven towards the eradication of social injustice through social, educational, civil and community reform…


    Breaking down the racial barriers …


    Strive to reverse racial intolerance, ignorance, stereotypes and prejudice as well as break down the racial barriers that still exist between people today by interacting with and meeting new people from different cultural backgrounds. We cannot understand a culture unless we know other cultures and interact with them. Interacting with different people from other backgrounds is very important if we are ever going to eliminate racism, progress together as a nation and foster a sense of community.

     
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    They still do the electric chair there?
     
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    Killing cops as happened in Dallas last night will fix nothing for any person, no one. There is no justification for this period. Get pissed as you like for what ever reason you wish, but
    I sure hope you can agree with what I just said.

    And as it stands, I believe the guy that said this, "suspect’s final words: ‘I want to kill white people".
    Any excuse will do and then it will get really friggin ugly.
     
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    Sounds like the U of Texas entrance selection boards goals.
     
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    How is this Obama's fault?
     
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    He often takes the side of the young black youth versus the police before any investigation occurs. Goes up, makes a statement while implicitly alluding that the police are to blame and that these black pillars of the community look like his sons.

    He goes immediately and riles up these Black Lives Matters protestors. Some nutjob takes it a little too literally and causes violence and death.
     
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    Spot on! But dang! I have to wonder just how unaware the leader is of his effect?
     
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    I'm also not ready to discount the false flag theory. He was hired by a Government Agency or an NGO to kill people, then he was executed before he could talk or be taken into custody. The whole robot killing machine is just too suspect.
     
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    He knows exactly what he's doing.
     
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