Ed Davis is a nice player but he only gets garbage points - the reason his %s are better. TRob is a much better offensive player
TRob: 12.1 points/36 on .453 TS% and 19.3 USG% Ed Davis: 11.2 points/36 on .616 TS% and 12.7 USG% TRob attempts 15.9 FGA (and only makes 7.1 of them) and commits 3.8 TOVs per 100 possessions. Ed Davis attempts 10.0 FGA (and makes 6.1) of them and commits 1.9 TOVs per 100 possessions. Ed knows his strengths and weaknesses. TRob doesn't. With TRob, you get twice as many TOVs and more that twice as many missed shots per 100 possessions. That's why Ed Davis has an ORtg of 128 and TRob has an ORtg of 94. That's a HUGE difference. TRob is an inefficient chucker who turns the ball over way too much. Ed Davis is an efficient scorer who knows his limits and doesn't try to do more than he's capable of doing. TRob hurts his team (net negative production). Ed Davis helps his (net positive production). BNM
Seriously????????? Ed Davis = 128 ORtg TRob = 94 Ortg Ed Davis plays a bigger, more important role. He doesn't get "garbage" points. He's simply smart enough not to take shots he has no business taking. TRob is an unconscionable chucker. .447 FG% for a PF is garbage. BNM
Dude you have got to be kidding me. Seriously. I don't get how some people can be so set in their viewpoints with such glaringly obvious facts stacked up against them..... Keep fighting the good fight BNM!
I don't know about anything you wrote. Basketball Insiders is a legitimate NBA site. There are several teams that expressed interest in signing him. I listed a few in an earlier post this morning. Add the Pistons to that list.
I went to school with a girl who pretended to be rich. Her parents would drop her off at school in a Chevette. Nobody argued with her when she told her stories. Same thing here, just let it go.
You say that like it's a good thing... Big deal, he can jump. He doesn't translate his athletic ability into positive production. He looks good on SportsCenter once or twice a year, but the rest of the time he jacking up bad shots, committing unforced TOVs and losing his man on defense. Again look at the numbers I've posted. They clearly show he's a turnover prone, inefficient chucker that gives up way more points than he produces. Hickson is better, and he sucks. BNM
NO, plain & simple. T-Rob the man/teammate (chemistry-wise) IS awesome! T-Rob the basketball player... well... He CAN rebound & has great energy, heart, & is a physical specimen BUT... he's an exceptional athlete, not a basketball player. Others have stated very clearly the facts as to why T-Rob shouldn't be brought back/why he's just not that good. I'm actually STILL a fan of the man/T-Rob & will cont. to be regardless of what happens w/ him w/ respects to basketball. I hope that he'll be able to consistently figure out how to play the game/make a place for himself in NBA so that he gets paid/has a long career in the league but... unfortunately, most likely, he's a superior athlete/good guy & nothing more.
He takes more shots and misses more shots because he's much more of a go-to player on offense, Davis is more opportunistic, getting tip-ins and easy baskets. I wouldn't mind it if we had both. Don't know what's the market for TRob but my idea was that we would sign him as a FA, not trade Davis for him
Close: He takes more shots and misses more shots because he thinks he's much more of a go-to player on offense... He's not a go to player. He has no jump shot, but that doesn't keep him for hoisting up ill advised jumpers and shoots .431 from the line. He makes 1 more shot per 100 possessions than Ed Davis, but it takes him almost 6 more shots to make that 1. Here's TRob's shooting percentages beyond 3 feet from the basket: 3 - 10 feet .230 10 - 16 feet .189 16 feet - the 3-point line .238 Does that sound like a go to guy to you? Seriously, if it isn't a dunk, TRob has no business shooting the ball. The problem is, for every dunk he makes, he takes 8 jumps shots. BNM
.603 - still not very impressive, considering 32 of his made shots were dunks. For comparison, here's how Ed Davis compares: TRob: 0-3 feet .603 3 - 10 feet .230 10 - 16 feet .189 16 feet - the 3-point line .238 Ed Davis: 0-3 feet .659 3 - 10 feet .459 10 - 16 feet .500 16 feet - the 3-point line NA (becuase Ed Davis is smart enough to know he has no business shooting the ball more than 16 feet from the basket). Seriously, take off your fan boy glasses and look at the numbers. There is a reason his ORtg is 94 and Ed Davis' is 128. TRob is a horrible, horrible offensive player. Every single stat backs that up. He shoots .447 from the field and .431 from the line. His TS% of .453 is ridiculously bad for any player, especially a big man. If he was on our current roster, these are the players he'd be competing against for minutes: Ed Davis: TS% = .616, ORtg = 128 Mason Plumlee TS% = .564, ORtg = 112 Festus Ezili TS% = .559, ORtg = 114 Meyers Leonard TS% = .561, ORtg = 107 Al-Farouq Aminu TS% = .533, ORtg = 105 Noah Vonleh, TS% = .471, ORtg = 98 Thomas Robinson, TS% = .453, ORtG = 94 TRob is clearly the worst offensive player of the bunch, even worse than Noah Vonleh. On defense, here's their opponent's scoring per 48: Ed Davis: Opponent Scoring = 19.1 pts/48 Mason Plumlee: Opponent Scoring = 23.8 pts/48 Festus Ezili: Opponent Scoring = 20.9 pts/48 Meyers Leonard: Opponent Scoring = 19.5 pts/48 Al-Farouq Aminu: Opponent Scoring = 16.7 pts/48 Noah Vonleh: Opponent Scoring = 17.7 pts/48 Thomas Robinson: Opponent Scoring = 24.0 pts/48 Once again, TRob comes in dead last. He would be our worst offensive big man AND our worst defensive big man. Why waste a roster spot on a guy who would be worse at both ends of the court than the SIX other big men we already have on guaranteed contracts? We already have a logjam in a our front court without enough minutes to go around. Adding yet another big man, who is worse than the six we already have, would just make the situation worse. BNM
To be fair, by opponents Points Per 48, TRob looks only a shade less effective than our starting center.
Yep, but he still comes in dead last - worse than the 6 guys we already have under guaranteed contract, and he's guarding opposing back up power forwards, not opposing starting centers, like Plumlee. He's also the worse, by far on offense. He has the lowest TS% AND the highest USG%. That's the trademark of someone who has monumentally bad shot selection (which for TRob is any shot, including a FT, that is not a dunk). BNM
I didn't say anything about his offense. I said he'd be an end of the bench player for us, that Ed Davis is the player I'd prefer to see us play, and that given enough minutes, TRob would likely put up a double double. And that there are several teams interested in him. Aside from Plums, TRob's defense stats are way worse than our other guys. I'm guessing he played in garbage time, which looks a lot like D League or SL. If we did sign him, it'd be at the expense of Montero. That's my guess. Is he worth it? Probably not. But if Neil wants him, I understand why and would be fine with it.
and if/when they sign him, they will have made a mistake...unless its for the min. This ones getting boring with this one because EVERYTHING but a few personal opinions points to TRob just not being a legit role player for a contending team. The stats, the eye test, everything else screams Athlete. Not NBA player. There you go. You said it right there. Why wold we want a less opportunistic guy vs a more opportunistic? Opportunistic screams efficiency to me. And again. The numbers back that up. This is not even a debate. I am sorry. If we had the bench of two years ago, it might be worthy of consideration, but Trob is not better than anyone on our team. At all. Period. Lick a stamp and send this one off.....
