Unarmed South Florida man with hands up shot by police while calming autistic patient

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  1. SlyPokerDog

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    NORTH MIAMI, FLA. (WSVN) - A therapist who works with people with disabilities is telling his story after he said police shot him while he was trying to help his patient with autism.

    Cellphone video was released Wednesday afternoon showing Charles Kinsey lying on the ground with his hands in the air, telling officers that weapons are not necessary. “When I went to the ground, I’m going to the ground just like this here with my hands up,” Kinsey said, “and I am laying down here just like this, and I’m telling them again, ‘Sir, there is no need for firearms. I’m unarmed, he’s an autistic guy. He got a toy truck in his hand.”

    In his hospital bed, Kinsey said, he was attempting to calm an autistic patient who ran away from a group home. Kinsey could be heard in the video saying, “All he has is a toy truck. A toy truck. I am a behavior therapist at a group home.”

    He is also heard asking his patient to calm down. “Rinaldo, please be still, Rinaldo. Sit down, Rinaldo. Lay on your stomach.”

    The ordeal went on for a few minutes before Kinsey said one of the officers shot him. “I’m like this right here, and when he shot me, it was so surprising,” Kinsey said. “It was like a mosquito bite, and when it hit me, I’m like, ‘I still got my hands in the air, and I said, ‘No I just got shot! And I’m saying, ‘Sir, why did you shoot me?’ and his words to me, he said, ‘I don’t know.'”

    North Miami Police said the incident began, Monday, when someone called 911 and said there was a man walking around with a gun threatening suicide. Kinsey said the man was his patient and the alleged gun was a toy truck, which he said was clearly visible to police. “I was really more worried about him than myself. I was thinking as long as I have my hands up … they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking, they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong.”

    http://wsvn.com/news/local/video-shows-moments-before-north-miami-police-shot-unarmed-man/
     
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    Wow....
     
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    BLM is the one saying, "Hands Up, Don't Shoot." Obviously that is bad advice.
     
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    that's fucked up and indefensible.
     
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    "I'm like, 'Sir, why did you shoot me?'" Kinsey said he asked the officer.
    "He said to me, 'I don't know.'"

    Kinsey was shot in his right leg after officers fired two or three shots, according to Napoleon.

    After the shooting, Kinsey told WSVN he was flipped over and handcuffed.

    According to Napoleon, Kinsey laid on the ground for 20 minutes before an ambulance arrived on the scene.
     
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    What? I don't know isn't a good defense?

    What is a good defense? I thought you were Osama Bin Laden?
     
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    the fuck? if this happened as reported then i definitely cant defend the cop on this one. he needs to be fired and jailed for attempted murder
     
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    there is no defense the police can present for shooting an obviously unarmed man who was no threat whatsoever.
     
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    Yeah, pretty much. Reminds me of the show "The Wire" when the one cop gets his gun taken away, then ends up shooting another undercover cop by accident when he was chasing a suspected drug dealer.
     
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    Someone needs to get fired for this. Inexcusable. The guy was autistic with a fucking toy in his hand; no officer thought to step forward, even with him at gun point, and verify that it was a toy and not a weapon?

    I am the biggest supporter of LE on this board. But this was strait-up bullshit. Calm the fuck down, listen to the guy, use your eyes and ears, and break down the situation in a calm and reasonable manner.

    This is a classic example of a bunch of street/beat cops with no leader amongst them. A leader would have taken charge of this situation and would have been the sole communicator, instead of a bunch of guys screaming commands from all different directions without listening to what the guy was saying. You can't listen or hear people if everyone is screaming at the same time!

    It has nothing to do with racism in this case, and everything to do with incompetence.

    All of this being said, I want to know, detail by detail, what exactly led up to all of this. What was the original call? Who reported it? Did the person reported have a history of breakdowns? Was he known to police? Did he demonstrate anything that would have suggested to them that he was armed? Does he have a history of being physically violent (his mental disorders notwithstanding)?

    I had a child living in the apartment above me who was severely Autistic. Jesus Christ....she was a loud, very spontaneously violent child for someone so small. My cracked ceiling is evidence of that. I don't blame her, or the guy in this video, in the least. They can't help it. But at the same time, I can understand why cases like this need to be dealt with very specifically.

    Obviously, however, this was not the way to handle this. A proper leader should have taken charge of this situation and reduced the tension.
     
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    I seriously doubt the autistic kid had a Concealed Toy Truck Permit. If you're going to be out in public without a CTTP you deserve what you get.
     
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    I sometimes get the feeling it's going to have to get so extreme that it's going to literally take a cop caught on camera executing a kneeling man from behind like this

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    Before anything of significance happens to change police culture.

    (Of course, I'm sure some authoritarian somewhere will say the two men had it coming for indecent exposure in a park).
     
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    What WE saw was a guy laying down with his hands raised next to an Autistic person........AFTER he was shot.

    I want to know what the situation was like BEFORE the video starts. What was he doing? And what SPECIFICALLY caused the officers to open fire at him?
     
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    Itchy trigger finger after 5 dead officers in the last week?
     
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    8, not 5. And I hope you aren't making light of tensions among police after such tragedies by stating "itchy trigger finger"?
     
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    The following video has narration describing the incident timeline according to WSVN Channel 7 News in Miami.

     
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