2016 Republican Platform and Convention

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  1. blue32

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    Well, I won't vote for you then.
     
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    When I read the speech yesterday afternoon, I thought it had a lot of great stuff in it. But the Law and Order rhetoric is classic racist code words. He knew it and he deliberately used them.

    The parts that were good were the damning state of the state and foreign policy.
     
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    The Token Gay Guy is a man who opposes women's suffrage. I swear I'm not making this up.
    The standard bearer of the party with the most anti-gay platform in American history tells us he will protect us from Muslims attacking us. When Christians attack us, it's religious freedom.

    In my young days, you know, back when dinosaurs walked the earth and telephones made phone calls, anyone who criticized any U.S. policy or the President was hit with "America, love it or leave it". To the political right, America was the greatest country in the world and any criticism was un-American. The social conservative view was that you could NOT want to make the country better because it was perfect (except for all those nasty peace and civil rights protesters who didn't get it). Now the narrative has flipped. According to the Republican convention, America is a hellhole, a society on the verge of collapse, where ordinary white citizens cower in terror while armed bands of Mexicans and Muslims roam the streets, police are helpless to enforce the law, Christians are persecuted, and conservative voices stifled. And only Donald Trump, the billionaire who knows what it's like to fail a job interview, wait for a bus that doesn't show up, have to choose between food and rent, sit in classrooms of 50 students with leaking roofs and outdated textbooks, drink lead-poisoned water, can save us!

    Just because that black man became president.
     
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    I had to laugh at CNN last night. Immediately after the speech, they had their marching orders from the Clinton campaign and the DNC to use the words "dark" to describe the speech. Then they went to a room full of convention watchers, undecided voters, and half raised their hands when asked if they were more likely to vote Trump. None of them said the speech was "dark," more that he didn't give specifics about how he was going to accomplish some of his promises. Then they reported on their on instant poll:

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    "Dark."

    They acted like they were in shock that the people who vote didn't share their view that the speech was "dark." And this morning, the DNC talking heads they have on are doubling down on the "dark" thing.

    EDIT: unlike 2012, the CNN instant poll is not available on their WWW site that I can find.
     
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    I cherry pick the bits of Trump's speech I found to be quite good. barfo can feel free to inject things he didn't say. My comments in parenthesis.


    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/...mp-nomination-acceptance-speech-at-rnc-225974

    Decades of progress made in bringing down crime are now being reversed by this Administration’s rollback of criminal enforcement.

    Homicides last year increased by 17% in America’s fifty largest cities. That’s the largest increase in 25 years. In our nation’s capital, killings have risen by 50 percent. They are up nearly 60% in nearby Baltimore.

    In the President’s hometown of Chicago, more than 2,000 have been the victims of shootings this year alone. And more than 3,600 have been killed in the Chicago area since he took office.

    The number of police officers killed in the line of duty has risen by almost 50% compared to this point last year. Nearly 180,000 illegal immigrants with criminal records, ordered deported from our country, are tonight roaming free to threaten peaceful citizens.

    (All people want safe neighborhoods, and to be safe from crime)

    ...

    Again, I will tell you the plain facts that have been edited out of your nightly news and your morning newspaper: Nearly Four in 10 African-American children are living in poverty, while 58% of African American youth are not employed. 2 million more Latinos are in poverty today than when the President took his oath of office less than eight years ago. Another 14 million people have left the workforce entirely.

    (While his rhetoric about "law and order" is thick with racist connotation, he criticizes the current administration for its clear failures to address poverty, employment, and crime for blacks and Latinos).

    Household incomes are down more than $4,000 since the year 2000. Our manufacturing trade deficit has reached an all-time high – nearly $800 billion in a single year. The budget is no better.

    (Are you better off today than you were in 2000?)

    President Obama has doubled our national debt to more than $19 trillion, and growing. Yet, what do we have to show for it? Our roads and bridges are falling apart, our airports are in Third World condition, and forty-three million Americans are on food stamps.

    (Reckless spending with nothing to show for it. Obama fiddled while the nation burned.)

    ...

    Not only have our citizens endured domestic disaster, but they have lived through one international humiliation after another. We all remember the images of our sailors being forced to their knees by their Iranian captors at gunpoint.

    This was just prior to the signing of the Iran deal, which gave back to Iran $150 billion and gave us nothing – it will go down in history as one of the worst deals ever made. Another humiliation came when president Obama drew a red line in Syria – and the whole world knew it meant nothing.

    (We were humiliated by Iran in this deal, no doubt.)

    In Libya, our consulate – the symbol of American prestige around the globe – was brought down in flames. America is far less safe – and the world is far less stable – than when Obama made the decision to put Hillary Clinton in charge of America’s foreign policy.

    (Clinton's record is one of damaging the country, not making things better.)


    I am certain it is a decision he truly regrets. Her bad instincts and her bad judgment – something pointed out by Bernie Sanders – are what caused the disasters unfolding today. Let’s review the record. In 2009, pre-Hillary, ISIS was not even on the map.

    (Clinton/Obama did make ISIS. The surge that Obama opposed did succeed and what became ISIS was all but vanquished.)

    Libya was cooperating. Egypt was peaceful. Iraq was seeing a reduction in violence. Iran was being choked by sanctions. Syria was under control. After four years of Hillary Clinton, what do we have? ISIS has spread across the region, and the world. Libya is in ruins, and our Ambassador and his staff were left helpless to die at the hands of savage killers. Egypt was turned over to the radical Muslim brotherhood, forcing the military to retake control. Iraq is in chaos.

    (The people of Libya were greatly harmed by Clinton pushing to drop bombs on their heads. Not only was that decision a disaster, it made yet another place for ISIS to grow and thrive).

    Iran is on the path to nuclear weapons. Syria is engulfed in a civil war and a refugee crisis that now threatens the West. After fifteen years of wars in the Middle East, after trillions of dollars spent and thousands of lives lost, the situation is worse than it has ever been before.

    (Obama/Clinton FAIL. Regardless of the sanity of going into Iraq and Afghanistan, Obama/Clinton reversed most of the gains that were made at great expense. They shrank Iraq's borders, and turned multiple other nations there into a shambles.)

    This is the legacy of Hillary Clinton: death, destruction and weakness.

    (Exactly)

    But Hillary Clinton’s legacy does not have to be America’s legacy. The problems we face now – poverty and violence at home, war and destruction abroad – will last only as long as we continue relying on the same politicians who created them. A change in leadership is required to change these outcomes. Tonight, I will share with you my plan of action for America.

    (Change you can believe in is needed)

    ...

    That is why Hillary Clinton’s message is that things will never change. My message is that things have to change – and they have to change right now. Every day I wake up determined to deliver for the people I have met all across this nation that have been neglected, ignored, and abandoned.

    (I fight for the common man. The status quo is government neglect)

    I have visited the laid-off factory workers, and the communities crushed by our horrible and unfair trade deals. These are the forgotten men and women of our country. People who work hard but no longer have a voice.

    (He's not talking about policy to help the rich only here)

    ...

    I have embraced crying mothers who have lost their children because our politicians put their personal agendas before the national good. I have no patience for injustice, no tolerance for government incompetence, no sympathy for leaders who fail their citizens.

    (He's an outsider, for sure. I don't see how anyone could oppose fixing injustice, incompetence, and government failures)

    When innocent people suffer, because our political system lacks the will, or the courage, or the basic decency to enforce our laws – or worse still, has sold out to some corporate lobbyist for cash – I am not able to look the other way.

    (Government is bought buy corporate lobbyists)

    And when a Secretary of State illegally stores her emails on a private server, deletes 33,000 of them so the authorities can’t see her crime, puts our country at risk, lies about it in every different form and faces no consequence – I know that corruption has reached a level like never before.

    When the FBI Director says that the Secretary of State was “extremely careless” and “negligent,” in handling our classified secrets, I also know that these terms are minor compared to what she actually did. They were just used to save her from facing justice for her terrible crimes.

    In fact, her single greatest accomplishment may be committing such an egregious crime and getting away with it – especially when others have paid so dearly. When that same Secretary of State rakes in millions of dollars trading access and favors to special interests and foreign powers I know the time for action has come.

    (Nailed it)

    I have joined the political arena so that the powerful can no longer beat up on people that cannot defend themselves. Nobody knows the system better than me, which is why I alone can fix it. I have seen firsthand how the system is rigged against our citizens, just like it was rigged against Bernie Sanders – he never had a chance.

    (Reach out to Sanders voters. A call for unity.)

    ...

    This Administration has failed America’s inner cities. It’s failed them on education. It’s failed them on jobs. It’s failed them on crime. It’s failed them at every level.

    When I am President, I will work to ensure that all of our kids are treated equally, and protected equally.

    (He's talking about blacks and Latinos here, as well as everyone else)

    Every action I take, I will ask myself: does this make life better for young Americans in Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, Ferguson who have as much of a right to live out their dreams as any other child America?

    (Specifically lists cities where blacks are treated like shit, promises to make life better for them)

    ...

    The damage and devastation that can be inflicted by Islamic radicals has been over and over – at the World Trade Center, at an office party in San Bernardino, at the Boston Marathon, and a military recruiting center in Chattanooga, Tennessee.

    Only weeks ago, in Orlando, Florida, 49 wonderful Americans were savagely murdered by an Islamic terrorist. This time, the terrorist targeted our LGBT community. As your President, I will do everything in my power to protect our LGBT citizens from the violence and oppression of a hateful foreign ideology. To protect us from terrorism, we need to focus on three things.

    We must have the best intelligence gathering operation in the world. We must abandon the failed policy of nation building and regime change that Hillary Clinton pushed in Iraq, Libya, Egypt and Syria. Instead, we must work with all of our allies who share our goal of destroying ISIS and stamping out Islamic terror.

    (While W was in office, attacks on american soil were rare. Reversing those policies has made things much worse)

    ...

    I have a different vision for our workers. It begins with a new, fair trade policy that protects our jobs and stands up to countries that cheat. It’s been a signature message of my campaign from day one, and it will be a signature feature of my presidency from the moment I take the oath of office.

    (The way to help america be great is to rebuild the middle class, good jobs for american workers)

    I have made billions of dollars in business making deals – now I’m going to make our country rich again. I am going to turn our bad trade agreements into great ones. America has lost nearly-one third of its manufacturing jobs since 1997, following the enactment of disastrous trade deals supported by Bill and Hillary Clinton.

    Remember, it was Bill Clinton who signed NAFTA, one of the worst economic deals ever made by our country.

    Never again.

    (Government, bought by corporations, enacted some really bad trade deals that need to be fixed)

    I am going to bring our jobs back to Ohio and to America – and I am not going to let companies move to other countries, firing their employees along the way, without consequences.

    (Jobs, jobs, jobs.)

    My opponent, on the other hand, has supported virtually every trade agreement that has been destroying our middle class. She supported NAFTA, and she supported China’s entrance into the World Trade Organization – another one of her husband’s colossal mistakes.

    She supported the job killing trade deal with South Korea. She has supported the Trans-Pacific Partnership. The TPP will not only destroy our manufacturing, but it will make America subject to the rulings of foreign governments. I pledge to never sign any trade agreement that hurts our workers, or that diminishes our freedom and independence. Instead, I will make individual deals with individual countries.

    (The decline of the middle class is directly caused by current trade policy. That needs to change.)

    No longer will we enter into these massive deals, with many countries, that are thousands of pages long – and which no one from our country even reads or understands. We are going to enforce all trade violations, including through the use of taxes and tariffs, against any country that cheats.

    This includes stopping China’s outrageous theft of intellectual property, along with their illegal product dumping, and their devastating currency manipulation. Our horrible trade agreements with China and many others, will be totally renegotiated. That includes renegotiating NAFTA to get a much better deal for America – and we’ll walk away if we don’t get the deal that we want. We are going to start building and making things again.

    (China is the elephant in the room. The IP theft really is a big deal - they're stealing from us. They are also doing multiple things, including hacking into our corporations and government networks and servers - espionage.)

    ...

    Next comes the reform of our tax laws, regulations and energy rules. While Hillary Clinton plans a massive tax increase, I have proposed the largest tax reduction of any candidate who has declared for the presidential race this year – Democrat or Republican. Middle-income Americans will experience profound relief, and taxes will be simplified for everyone.

    (Boost the middle class through tax relief and simplification)

    America is one of the highest-taxed nations in the world. Reducing taxes will cause new companies and new jobs to come roaring back into our country. Then we are going to deal with the issue of regulation, one of the greatest job-killers of them all. Excessive regulation is costing our country as much as $2 trillion a year, and we will end it. We are going to lift the restrictions on the production of American energy. This will produce more than $20 trillion in job creating economic activity over the next four decades.

    (It's amazing we thrive as we do, considering the way government is crippling the goose that lays our golden eggs. Jobs, jobs, jobs.)

    My opponent, on the other hand, wants to put the great miners and steel workers of our country out of work – that will never happen when I am President. With these new economic policies, trillions of dollars will start flowing into our country.

    (Clinton really stepped in it. She did say she wanted to put miners out of work.)

    This new wealth will improve the quality of life for all Americans – We will build the roads, highways, bridges, tunnels, airports, and the railways of tomorrow. This, in turn, will create millions more jobs. We will rescue kids from failing schools by helping their parents send them to a safe school of their choice.

    (The way to improve everything is to generate wealth. In turn, we get more tax revenue that can be invested in infrastructure. Jobs, jobs, jobs. And he wants to improve education for blacks and latinos)

    My opponent would rather protect education bureaucrats than serve American children. We will repeal and replace disastrous Obamacare. You will be able to choose your own doctor again. And we will fix TSA at the airports! We will completely rebuild our depleted military, and the countries that we protect, at a massive loss, will be asked to pay their fair share.

    (Spot on. The only way to fix broken government policies is to reverse course)

    We will take care of our great Veterans like they have never been taken care of before. My opponent dismissed the VA scandal as being not widespread – one more sign of how out of touch she really is. We are going to ask every Department Head in government to provide a list of wasteful spending projects that we can eliminate in my first 100 days. The politicians have talked about it, I’m going to do it. We are also going to appoint justices to the United States Supreme Court who will uphold our laws and our Constitution.

    (We owe the vets, we should stand up to our promises)

    ...

    Remember: all of the people telling you that you can’t have the country you want, are the same people telling you that I wouldn’t be standing here tonight. No longer can we rely on those elites in media, and politics, who will say anything to keep a rigged system in place.

    (I am the real change)

    Instead, we must choose to Believe In America. History is watching us now.

    It’s waiting to see if we will rise to the occasion, and if we will show the whole world that America is still free and independent and strong.

    My opponent asks her supporters to recite a three-word loyalty pledge. It reads: “I’m With Her”. I choose to recite a different pledge.

    My pledge reads: “I’M WITH YOU – THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.”

    I am your voice.

    (Straight out of Al Gore's playbook. I will fight for you.)
     
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    tl/dr

    Video summary here -

     
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    Trumps speech was pretty good, not the most factual speech around but when you get the platform to yourself regardless of who you are facts don't seem to matter as much anymore. I do think dark is one way you can describe the speech, he paints the picture that america was this great place back in time and that we are nowhere near where we were and that he is the only person who can restore America to what it was in the past and if we don't vote for him we will be in a dystopia before long.
     
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    Ha! A far lefty post a piece about hate! How quaint. After the conservatives hold their convention, you want to speak hate.
    What else you got son?

    Sort of like Van Jones on CNN, "He doesn't speak for me!" Trump hit it spot on when he want to fix education for the black community.
    Give everyone the vouchers to send your kids to what ever school you want. Better education is the single greatest thing that could happen to
    help them. The fool can only think to say, he doesn't speak for me! Now that is hate.

    We shall see how it goes, maybe enough black parents will get the message.

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    Ha! I guess I could show King some hate! How I hate it that he has healthcare now and my wife doesn't. It was taxed out of existence by the same bill that got him his. I blame him! For voting for the asshole that did it!
     
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    Don't be expecting me to appoint you as Attorney General if you wan't support me now.

    barfo
     
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    Facts matter to me.

    So, my question, and I mean this seriously. For those of you who support Trump, when, in what year, did America stop being "great"? and why? What happened to turn "the greatest country in the world" into "not great"?
     
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    That job posting is clearly not intended to fool anyone, it's meant to make fun of Trump.

    barfo
     
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    The list is many.

    But one looms so large and still ticking. The nations debt. Grown by, this President, by more than all previous Presidents combined. It is now greater than the yearly GDP of the nation and just a few Trillion short of the point of no return. One more administration with similar policies and this nation will pass the point of no return. At that point, there is no choice but to dissolve and see if we can start a new with a better plan. I suspect that process, will not be bloodless.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    And yet, you support Trump, who will increase the debt far faster than Obama or Bush. At least according to pretty much every economist, if you want to believe them.

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    If he doesn't put the nation back to work first, before any new spending, we are screwed. Indeed, cuts will need to be made in some things even before the nation is fully productive.
    It can be done. Trump may do it, Hillary has no chance.
     
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