Trump supporters, what would he have to say before you would not vote for him?

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  1. Denny Crane

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    What's done is done. Doesn't mean to waste all the gains that were made. The ones Obama talked about in his own words.
     
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    Did you think about that before you posted?
     
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    More like it.
     
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    The NYTimes, also in 2014:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/11/world/middleeast/us-actions-in-iraq-fueled-rise-of-a-rebel.html

    As more moderate Syrian rebel groups were beaten down by the Syrian security forces and their allies, ISIS increasingly took control of the fight, in part on the strength of weapons and funding from its operations in Iraq and from jihadist supporters in the Arab world.

    That fact has led American lawmakers and political figures, including former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, to accuse President Obama of aiding ISIS’ rise in two ways: first by completely withdrawing American troops from Iraq in 2011, then by hesitating to arm more moderate Syrian opposition groups early in that conflict.

    “I cannot help but wonder what would have happened if we had committed to empowering the moderate Syrian opposition last year,” Representative Eliot L. Engel, the senior Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said during a recent hearing on the crisis in Iraq. “Would ISIS have grown as it did?”
     
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    And Reagan is the founder of Al Qaeda? There's actually a much stronger case for that, given that he helped arm the Mujahideen. (Assuming he knew what was happening by that stage and wasn't fully senile.)
     
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    That's a great excuse for continuing to be at war until the end of time.

    If we defeat ISIS, we'll have 'helped' create whatever comes next, which you'll want us to 'undo' later on, and then since we 'helped' 'undo' that, we'll have to 'help' again later...

    And then multiply that by all the countries we've already 'helped' all over the world...

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    Go ahead and make the case. FDR Or Woodrow Wilson was the founder of NAZI Germany by that logic.

    Even if Reagan armed al Qaeda, it was wiped out by 2011 when Obama surrendered Iraq.
     
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    Utter nonsense.

    Name these other countries where we helped empower a dictator who killed millions of his own people.

    You can't.
     
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    Oh bull shit! Carter under the nitwit guidance of Brzezinski armed the Mujahideen. Reagan finally ended the program. It was a screw up to be sure as was bombing Serbia by another do good President.


    [/MEDIA]http://www.counterpunch.org/1998/01/15/how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujahidee
     
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    YES, EXACTLY! But it's YOUR "logic"!
     
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    Ferdinand Marcos and under Reagan we armed and supported Saddam Hussein against Iran and Osama Bin Laden against the Russians
     
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    We also supported South Africa before a British journalist exposed apartheid via Steven Biko
     
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    He makes a good point Denny...your response is just sensationalizing Syrian civil war as if genocide has never occured
     
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    One day Grenada will get its revenge...
     
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