Trump supporters, what would he have to say before you would not vote for him?

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  1. MarAzul

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    Well in the case of Natural born, I think you are incorrect. But my use of the term was in reference to British law at the time of Obama's birth.
    The first generation of British subjects born abroad were considered British "by right of descent". In Obama's case, Kenyan British, as Kenya was a British Colony at the time.
    That law is in keeping with the definition of Natural Born in the Law of Nations. We do the same with the first generation born abroad to US citizens, although it is not defined
    as near as I can tell, in US code. But it was in the first immigration law of 1792 which has been superseded some what incompletely.
     
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    No, it's your's.

    al Qaeda was wiped out by 2011. It's resurgence since is on Obama.

    Something out of nothing.
     
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    We had no business intervening. Handing Libya over to ISIS might be a learning experience.
     
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    What would invading now accomplish?

    SMH
     
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    What would invading the Phillipenes accomplish?
     
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    I'm not a Trump supporter.

    I'm anti Hiliar and her allies in the media.
     
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    I'm not a Hillary supporter but I would never sort through her Trump criticisms and continually post them against Trump...even though it's not necessary...Trump is tanking and using the media to do it..it's pretty obvious ...Obama admitted he dropped the ball in Syria but Syria is not his fault...he just could've secured the perimeter from becoming ISIS training camps. Bush could've done that too by stopping the Iraqi militants from escaping to Syria when we first invaded...I don't trust the government to tell me the truth, never have, but I trust the internet even less to tell me the truth
     
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    I'm not posting any of Trump's criticisms of Hiliar. They're obvious enough for me to come up with them on my own.

    Syria is Obama's fault. So is ISIS.

    If we left 40,000 troops on bases in the desert in Iraq like we should have, there'd be no ISIS and Syria would not have turned into an ISIS stronghold.
     
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    I love Triumph and I only got 5 minutes in or so when the lady said the Mexicans would cut off the collars and sell the bling.

    I can't take it.
     
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    Incredible assumption on your part...sounds like Assad gets a free pass for all this...I know some guys who came back from Iraq and not one of them believed we needed to stay there...Obama clearly said our strategy was changing from boots on the ground to a high tech drone military...ISIS would have just chosen Pakistan or Yemen or Mindanao or Jakarta to train terrorists...turns out it was Iraq's neighbor but you act like that's on the US which I totally disagree with.
     
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    Once seen by the domestic and international community as a potential reformer,[18] Assad disappointed those expectations definitively when he ordered crackdowns and military sieges on Arab Spring protesters, leading to the Syrian Civil War. The Syrian opposition, the United States, Canada, the European Union and the majority of the Arab League had called for al-Assad's resignation from the presidency.[19][20] During the Syrian Civil War, an inquiry by the United Nations human rights chief found evidence to implicate Assad in war crimes and crimes against humanity.[21] Assad was included in a list of 20 sample war crimes indictments of government officials and rebels handed to the International Criminal Court, by David Crane, an American professor at Syracuse University College of Law in New York.[22] In November 2014, the prosecutor of the Special Tribunal for Lebanon announced that evidence would be brought against Assad.[23]
     
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    In 2015, al-Nusra Front,[211] Al-Qaeda's Syrian affiliate, issued bounty worth millions of dollars for the killing of Assad.[212] The head of the al-Nusra Front, Abu Mohammad al-Julani, said he would pay "three million euros ($3.4 million) for anyone who can kill Bashar al-Assad and end his story".[213] As of 2015[update], Assad's regional main opponents, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, are openly backing the Army of Conquest, an umbrella rebel group that reportedly includes an al-Qaeda linked al-Nusra Front and another Salafi coalition known as Ahrar al-Sham.[214][215][216] In the course of the conflict, ISIS has repeatedly massacred pro-government Alawite civilians and executed captured Syrian Alawite soldiers,[217][218] with most Alawites supporting Bashar al-Assad, himself an Alawite. ISIS, al-Qaeda-linked al-Nusra Front and affiliated jihadist groups reportedly took the lead in an offensive on Alawite villages in Latakia Governorate of Syria in August 2013.[217][219] Assad condemned the November 2015 Paris attacks, but added that France's support for Syrian rebel groups had contributed to the spread of terrorism, and rejected sharing intelligence on terrorist threats with French authorities unless France altered its policy.[220][221]

    In 2016, Syrian Democratic Forces found paperwork including regime bank statements at a recently captured oil refinery during the Al-Shaddadi offensive (2016) showing that ISIS had sold oil to the Assad regime, with a SDF commander stating; "The regime says that it's fighting terrorists, but it's not really. In fact, it's always maintained economic ties. Bashar Assad controls nothing anymore and he has a massive logistical lead in terms of oil especially so he's bought oil from the jihadists, and in return, he's supplied them with weapons".[222]
     
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    I don't have to like Assad. It's not our country. He had nothing to do with ISIS, in fact he was and is fighting ISIS.

    Hindsight is 20-20 but your buddies are clearly wrong as is Obama. The guys who were right were those advising Obama to keep the 40K troops in country - still a 2/3 drawdown.

    ISIS wouldn't have chosen anywhere else. It was all but dead. What gave them any hope of rebounding was Obama surrendering in Iraq and the wink and nod he gave al Maliki to crackdown on the Sunni.

    Read the PBS link. It has numerous quotes of the Sunni Iraqis explaining how the US ditched them and they felt no choice but to side with ISIS.
     
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    Don't buy this idea at all and I tend to listen to vets returning from war about their opinions....Obama won his elections with a promise of bringing the troups home so you wanting to leave them there would have just cost more lives and tax dollars achieving nothing...ISIS comes from everywhere...not just Iraq..Britain has had many ISIS volunteers as has France and yes...even the USA....ISIS is not tied to this one particular region anymore than the IRA was tied to Belfast.
     
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    What we're seeing are feudalistic warlords scrambling for power. Been happening in Africa for a long, long time....we don't get involved if it's Somalia so much...nobody seems that outraged over those atrocities
     
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    I literally think you're grasping at straws. ISIS arose from al Qaeda in Iraq. It was dead and would be still if Obama didn't surrender.

    Obama is responsible for tens of thousands, if nut hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths and all the terror ISIS has brought. All for a point or two in the polls. Damn.
     
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    If he were, Obama would still be the founder of ISIS. I don't see any reason the believe otherwise. Except wishful thinking.
     

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