Elite universities giving undocumented students full rides.

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  1. SlyPokerDog

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    That man in the article was 4yrs old when he came here. I doubt he ran and or faked anything.
     
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    yeah, his parents did it for him.
     
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  3. blue32

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    Why have any debt at all? I can just lose my ID and go to Georgetown! Then I can have my safe space on campus so that I don't face deportation when I fly home. Georgetown can harbor my illegal ass too, all on the backs of funding they receive whether it be federal, local, or boosters! woohoo!!

    So what does that matter. He (the guy in the article) is an illegal immigrant. His entire family (which are undocumented) should be sent back to their originating country and apply to become citizens the CORRECT and legal way.
     
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    You don't have to be a citizen to go to a school anywhere....nothing stops you from getting a degree at the University of Tonga if you want to...and just how do you know what this dude's circumstances are? He's not hiding from anyone or losing his ID....you aren't illegal with a student visa first of all..
     
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    And you want Georgetown to do that?

    Let me state again, my father came to this country legally, joined the military and became a citizen. He did it the CORRECT and legal way. I am against illegal immigration. Illegal immigrants have made things harder on my family.

    That said, in this country we educate the children of illegals. It would be inhumane not to.
     
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    Bullshit, it would make them go home.
     
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    It's pretty simple Sly. You break the law you pay the price. Except in this case, people keep forgetting that Illegal Immigration is against the law. Harboring illegal aliens is against the law.

    The US Federal Government cooperating with local state/city police should take these people back to where they belong and then they can work with the proper channels to get legal status.

    Georgetown should get sanctions against themselves for providing benefits/harboring to illegal aliens.
     
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    Really? You actually think people would go back to their country of origin or do you think they just wouldn't educate their children?
     
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    Where do you think these schools get their funding dude? Taxpayers and of course donors/boosters/etc. WE are paying for these 'free rides' one way or another and it's not right. America should not be responsible for illegal immigration education.
     
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    Georgetown isn't harboring them....they are guaranteurs..which makes them sort of fiscally responsible if they screw up..that's any companies choice. I had a college guarantee my green card working overseas and it wasn't an American college...this is not unusual...thousands of American kids are studying abroad and teaching English under the table all over the world...really common...and they get paid about 2 times as much as the local English tutors...goes both ways
     
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    If every free thing that we give them was never offered they would have never entered the country in the first place.

    Break in my house, I'll get my wife to give you the best loving you ever had.


    Then I'll somehow be surprised when every criminal in town breaks in? I think not.
     
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    How did this kid break the law? He has spent 12 of 18yrs here in this country. He's more American than Mexican.

    Personally I think Georgetown should aid him in becoming legal but they are a private university, they can admit and give scholarships to who they want to.
     
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    i think you are missing the salient points of this article.

    1. these kids did well enough in school to earn a scholarship to an elite university. all this "maybe i should throw away my license and get a free ride!" nonsense, is well, nonsense. if you were desirable to elite universities, you would have also been in consideration for a scholarship. im just guessing here, but lets just say, you weren't.

    2. Georgetown is a private university. unless i am mistaken, they fund scholarships and student aid privately. and as people who have seen patrick ewing nude can attest to, they are very well endowed.

    3. this isnt a new thing. "In keeping with our Catholic-Jesuit tradition, Georgetown has a long history of admitting students regardless of immigration status. Georgetown University is committed to ensuring that our students have the resources they need to attend by meeting a students' full financial need."

    4. although he is undocumented, he is in the country legally under the policies of the DACA program.

    i mean seriously, of all the things to complain about... maybe go back to whining about protesters? :dunno:
     
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    You contributed fine, until you called people racist. Go back to your hole bud.

    Also you are mistaken on #2, it receives funding from the DOE each year.

    #3 doesn't make harboring illegals legal, regardless of their tradition.
     
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    Is he a legal resident of USA? If not, your answer is right there in front of you.

    I disagree with them giving scholarships to illegals because some of their funding comes from the Dept. of Ed., which comes from our pockets ultimately. However I won't disagree about there needing to be more/or faster avenues for getting illegals legal. I just dont think they should be able to stay in our country while doing so, unless they've followed some sort of process to allow that.
     
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    But if that very same kid gets a student visa you are ok with it? Isn't he the same kid either way?

    What's the big advantage to the USA if he fills out the J1 visa paperwork? I mean, it would be good for recordkeeping and such, but it wouldn't mean that he hadn't been living here illegally beforehand.

    barfo
     
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    You know anybody can get a free ride in Scotland? Germany too. And there it really is taxpayers footing the bill. Amazingly enough, they don't seem that outraged.

    You know what I think is unfair? People thinking they deserve a higher standard of living because of the accident of their birth, while simultaneously thinking everyone else can go fuck themselves. What makes it all-the-more galling is that it's not as if this country wasn't stolen by its current inhabitants, so getting on the high horse is pretty rich.
     
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    Actually, since they have no reason to be here, and it is illegal, encouraging them to go home seems prudent. Having no school available is an appropriate encouragement.
     
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    That's a gross assumption Marz .....a lot of people have good reason to be here...some particularly from Nicaragua and Honduras are fleeing for their lives..amnesty is a case by case issue
     

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