I Need To Stop Trying To Help Y'all Gain Perspective

Discussion in 'Blazers OT Forum' started by dviss1, Sep 19, 2016.

  1. Denny Crane

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    My view is if you're going to give people taxpayer money, you can't tell them how to spend it. If they can save it and build up some savings to start a business or something, even better.

    Just like if you loan someone money, if they go gamble it away, that's on them.
     
  2. PtldPlatypus

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    The issue isn't telling people how to spend money you've already given them--it's determining if there's a viable need to continue to give them money.

    Just like if you loan someone money, it's not unreasonable to ensure the money is repaid before you loan them more.
     
  3. Sedatedfork

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    I don't really see the food stamp/drug testing issue as a constitutional issue, personally. However, I do think it's misguided.
     
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    Even if someone you loan money to pays you back you can stop loaning them money if you find out they buy drugs with it.
     
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    Of course it's not. 4th amendment isn't applicable to voluntary situations. The Supreme Court has even upheld a school district's policy of denying middle-school students the ability to participate in scholastic athletics if unwilling to submit to drug testing. Nobody is forcing people to apply for welfare/food stamps, so there's no rights violation involved.
     
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  8. Denny Crane

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    The rules qualify people based upon "need." What they do with the money doesn't change their "need" for it. It is a sort of government contract, not a personal loan.
     
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    I guess the more I think about it, the M's can do whatever they want. If they don't like the image he is promoting, I guess they can cut him. If he was a better player I wonder if they would have taken this action. They had little invested in the guy so they cut him.
     
  10. MarAzul

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    Well I don't think is use of "animals" is the same as I used the term. But in any case, how about you help me out here?

    What is the acceptable term for the bastards that were stopping cars on the Interstate in Charlotte? Or the meat heads that trashed my grandsons apartment and stole or destroyed all his stuff
    during their fun night on the town here recently. Oh, or the social misfits that destroyed the shop where he worked in Charlotte?

    Please help here, this is just the internet and I have no need to offend anyone with the in correct use of the descriptive term. I will reject the term protesters.
     
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    I was mainly just ribbing you a bit, but I would never call another human being an animal in a derogatory way. When protests turn violent, I think rioters is a perfectly good description. People that stop cars don't seem like rioters to me, more of an unorganized protest or demonstration, but I guess if you want to describe them as rioters you probably won't offend too many people. But, hey, I'm not the official PC police. It's a free country. Just don't be surprised if you use derogatory terms towards people that you might get called out on it.
     
  12. MarAzul

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    Well, I guess I have been called. I do feel dumb now since I have committed the same error as Hillary Clinton. I do need to do better.

    "In her support for the 1994 crime bill, for example, she used racially coded rhetoric to cast black children as animals. “They are not just gangs of kids anymore,” she said. “They are often the kinds of kids that are called ‘super-predators.’ No conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heel.”

    There has been a long history of people equating criminals with animals as if they have no choice. If Hillary does it then I must stop.
    Meat heads will do.
     
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    In plain and simple math

    The cost of testing > the money gained by catching people using drugs.

    But hey, maybe they would just get blackout drunk every night instead, like an honest person would.
     
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    According to the NY Times, Donald Trump received over $800 million in tax breaks. That's $800 million from "the government". Us. How many of you have lined up to demand he be drug tested? Although he sure acts shit crazier than any poor person I've ever met.

    dviss, believe me, I can sympathize. You try to be rational and some people seem to either 1) want to be a-holes or 2) are absolutely incapable of not being a-holes.
     
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    Video of the Charlotte shooting is out. The cops never look good in these.

    A woman is begging them not to shoot.
     
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    Its odd these shootings all happen at the same time. then go away for a bit.

    Kind of like mass shootings, they all seem to happen close to each other.
     
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    If she knew he had a gun and yelled to the police that her husband did not have a gun, she should be charged with a crime.
     
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    Don't know if it matters to you, but I think you and I both know that there's a pretty significant difference between welfare and tax breaks.
     
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    The video didn't show much, because we couldn't tell if he had a gun or not. I wish we had a better perspective, is there other video that shows this so called "gun"?
     

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