Politics The 3rd Presidential Debate - Turd Sandwich vs Giant Douche!

Don't be ridiculous, she can't be that and a reptilian shape shifter at the same time.

 

Sigh you liberals are all the same. Don't like something you hear, you scream "racist". 'the fuck outta here with that shit.


moving on...

While I don't fully support Trumps stance on it, Hillary's stance on abortion alone is appalling, let alone the inherent corruption.

 

LOL. Quit trollin'.

My opinion, I am all about the right to choose when it comes down to certain circumstances, rape, incest, medical issues, etc. But when it comes to just using it as a form of birth control, no thanks. Hillary however takes it to the extreme and wants to allow this to happen regardless. I find it appalling. If people can't support a family stop having sex, be responsible for your actions instead of using 'abortion' as BC.

 

From what I understand at the moment, Federal law makes it legal to abort babies into the 9th month of a pregnancy, and there are some states that allow it until birth.



Edit: Also, I wasn't implying that people wait that long to abort. It's used quite often a lot earlier.

 

People have done 36 week abortions before, for various reasons. Stop. The point he is trying to make is that she is for late-term abortion regardless of reason.

 

http://www.drhern.com/en/abortion-services.html

" Medically indicated termination of pregnancy up to 36 weeks from last menstrual period (including fetal anomalies, genetic disorder, fetal demise, or severe medical problems)"

 

And Sly, I know you like to harp on semantics here, but the point is, she wants no rules when it comes to these things and Donald does want some rules.

I land in the middle..... and I find Hillary's stance terrible, as I believe there should be some regulation around it.

 

Fine, if that's how you want to read it, then go ahead. It's on their "Abortion" page. So take it how you want to take it.

The point he is making and I am making still stand.

 

I've got two beautiful grandsons who were both premies born at 32 weeks, so the concept of late term abortions resonates with me. I'm also a Christian who believes that life begins at conception. I've wrestled with the issue of abortion pretty long and hard. I don't claim to have the answer as to what should be a universal opinion on the subject and I'm well aware that a lot of well-meaning people on either side of the issue can have differing opinions that are just as valid as my own. All of that said, this is what I've come up with as my opinion:

1. We do not live in a theocracy. Regardless of what my religious views on the subject may be, I no more want the government to impose them by law any more than I would want the views of another religion imposed upon me if that religion happened to be the dominant one in our country.

2. Roe v. Wade is bullshit, IMHO, without any true basis in the Constitution, but it's been the accepted law of the land for more than 40 years. Despite the presidential election bluster that we have on the subject every four years, I seriously doubt that any Supreme Court is going to be willing to roll that decision back.

3. A "Woman's Right to Choose" mantra is equal bullshit, again IMHO, because really what you're saying is that each and every woman has the right to determine the point at which life begins. I can't think of any other legal definition that we've left so open-ended. I don't claim to be an attorney or have any real idea of how the courts handle this issue, but there have to be places where it's determined that an unborn child has some rights. When they do in-utero surgery on a baby, insurance companies must accept that the infant has the right to coverage. If a pregnant woman is stabbed, killing the unborn baby, what's the charge? Does it vary if she was on the way to the abortion clinic?

4. I would not support a law to outright ban abortion, but it seems to me that there should be a range of factors that are considered that increase the closer the unborn child is to its due date. As just an example: First three months - no restrictions. Second trimester - woman's health, baby's complications, rape, incest. Third trimester - woman's health, significant complications for the baby. That's just off the top of my head and would need to be thoroughly discussed before any law was adopted.

I know that whatever is proposed isn't going to sit well with some significant portion of society, but it seems to me that there has to be well-considered legal position on this that would allow us to move past this issue as a country. Yeah, I know, I'm dreaming.

 

The proposals I suggested are not the law throughout the country, they are simply what is allowed by Roe. What is allowed varies significantly from state to state:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/06/18/us/politics/abortion-restrictions.html?_r=0

Note that good old blue Oregon is one of nine states with no protections for late-term pregnancies.

 

Geez I wish we could stop having this abortion debate every four years. Roe vs Wade is rediculous just as e-blazer says, no basis in this Constitution. It is also ridiculous to expect a national answer to the issue, except by the 10th amendment. Let the individual states set their standard and let people vote with their feet or use their feet to obtain a different result like travel to get the abortion.

Far too much energy and time has been wasted on this issue over the past 50 years. Enough! It should be a state issue and nothing to do with whom is President.

 

I'm not a liberal and I immediately thought it was racist