Aminu and Davis so far

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  1. Rastapopoulos

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    They wouldn't. For the reason you identify.

    Now we have to identify the current player who is Whiteside-in-Sacramento. Olshey is actually pretty good at that - see Lopez, Plumlee and Aminu-last-year.
     
  2. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    Already landed Napier. Maybe it's your boy Jake.

    Wish that guy were a big tho. Maybe Noah.
     
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    LOL!
     
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    Re: Aminu.

    Was last night's game a sign that, while he might be struggling, without him we truly are fucked?

    Vonleh strikes me as the anti-Aminu. He's been putting up solid numbers (as in Summer League) but they seem to be "Shareef Abdur-Rahim" numbers - no indication of helping the team.
     
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    I am, a bit. Davis said he was going to put on 25 lb of muscle in the offseason. In the preseason he was asked if that happened, and he said that it did.

    Assuming that's true, it may be why he's a shadow of the player he was.
     
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    Yes. Defense is always over looked. One reason I was a Batum fan, underrated defensive impact.
     
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    I don't think so. We didn't lose because of defense last night, we lost because of inept offense - and Aminu certainly isn't helping on offense.

    We're allowing 110.8 points and 44.3% OppFG%, and last night LAC scored 111 on 43.7% shooting. So we played a very typical defensive game last night. We just couldn't figure out how to play against LAC's defense. Also, we were going to lose last night's game regardless of who played - that loss could be seen from a mile away.
     
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    Winning on the road is hard enough, but I'd like to see the record of teams playing on the back end of a home/road back to back. I doubt it's pretty.
     
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    ESPN keeps a stat called RPM. It's +/- per possession, not per minute. Last season, the best Blazer was Ed Davis, #38. I don't know what Davis is this year in RPM, but he's a zero on my eyeball stat.

    RPM
    http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/year/2016/sort/RPM

    jlprk eyeball stat
    Source: jlprk's mind. Trust me.
     
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    RPM, like regular +/-, is heavily affected by the team's average point difference. Golden State players will have a higher RPM than 76er players. RPM, like the regular version, is best used to compare players on the same team. Intrateam, not interteam. I would think that Davis isn't the best Blazer this year in RPM. Because he's been sucking.

    Edit: After further research, I see that RPM, like PER, does adjust to the average league player. I don't care anymore.

    I know nothing about Reddit because it's too advanced for my feeble mind, but while reading Reddit about RPM, I chanced upon this.

     
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    Seriously WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH ED DAVIS?

    mpg: 13.3
    fg%: 40%
    ppg: 2.3 (that's 8.3 p/48!)
    rpg: 3.2 (that's 11.5 r/48, which is pretty shitty but still second best on the team)
    +/- : -50 over his 133 minutes. And a grand total of 4 blocks. Same as Evan Turner.

    What happened? He's gotten worse since this thread was started.
     
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    He looks slow. I don't think putting on weight helped.
     
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    mentioned it in another thread but it's possible some guys know they're being shopped and Aminu and Davis are not making big money compared to Mo and Meyers....that could affect things too...I think Ed is mailing it in...when he's on the court this season the other team has starting making layup drills
     
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    I honestly don't think Ed would mail it in. I don't think Lillard would allow it, and Lillard explicitly said that Ed is his fave teammate. (Of course, as already mentioned, that means Davis is a lock to be traded.)
     
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    Charlotte seems to be doing okay since they got him.
     
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    He hasn't just gotten worse, he's hasn't just fallen off a cliff, he's jumped out of a plane without a parachute and is in a statistical free fall.

    PER = 5.0 = career low, previous low = 14.2, last two seasons = 20.0 and 18.7
    TRB% = 13.3 = career low, previous low = 16.1, last to seasons = 18.0, and 19.3
    BLK% = 2.3 = career low, previous low - 3.2
    TOV% = 22.0 = career high, previous high = 14.9
    ORtg = 93 = career low, previous low = 108, last two seasons = 124 and 128

    I'm not sure why, but he seems to have lost all of his energy and explosiveness. Did putting on that muscle kill Ed Davis' career? I was going to say he looks more like 37-year old Dale Davis than what I would expect from 27-year old Ed Davis, but Dale Davis never looked this bad. Even at 37, his PER, TRB%, BLK%, TOS% and ORtg were all MUCH better than Ed's right now.

    BNM
     
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    For all this muscle I hear about, he still can't slow down most bigs worth shit. So he hasn't even gained that.
     
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    I hope it's temporary because I really like Ed Davis....something is going on...who knows what might distract him...could be a relationship outside the game
     
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    I think we will see them traded, would suck to see Ed go, but he is what he is... a smaller Pryzbilla.

    Honestly, I wonder if Orlando would be interested in Aminu+Davis for Ibaka? Maybe throw in the Cavs pick to sweeten the pot if needed. Ibaka would be perfect for what we are needing, rim protection and shooting.
     
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    Ibaka would be gone after season, no thanks.
     

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