But @Further do you really think anyone on the left is committing any of the 425+ hate crimes that have happened since the the election? I did see the riots and the burning of a car with fuck Trump on it. That shit is deplorable. But have we seen any liberals committing crimes of hate?
I'm not saying you should compromise, your political views align with mine on all the issues you mentioned. Fight the issues, tear down the acts of hate, just don't assume that all the individual people who support Trump are hate-filled people. On this site we have a rule, attack the post, not the poster. I'm trying to convey a similar strategy should be taken with Trump supporters. Attack the policy, but not the individual Trump supporters as being racist, homophobic or whatever else. It could be that people vote for Trump as a protest vote against the obviously tainted Hillary. It could be that people vote Trump not because they think he will help the economy (I disagree). People might vote for Trump because they simply think the political world needs a shakeup. They could be trying to support the R ticket, team vs Team. Or it could be that people support Trump because they ARE racist hate-filled asshats. But with 62 million voting for Trump, and a handful of hate crimes, I don't think it's productive to say Trump Supporters = Nazi, or anything of the ilk.
62,000,000 - 425 = 61,999,575 that did not commit any hate crimes. Lets get those 425, Lets attack those issues, but cursing out the ones who are not acting deplorably is a perfect way to increase the gap.
First off I wasn't insinuating that all Trump voters are racist. What I am saying is the majority of the recent hate crimes were done by Trump voters. There's a huge difference. And, you'really working with fuzzy math based upon the false notion that I'm calling all Trump voters racist... Report: Trump's Election Led To A Surge In Hate Crime In the 10 days after Donald Trump’s victory in the U.S. presidential election, the country experienced a surge in hate crime, according to a study by the Southern Poverty Law Center. The prominent U.S. civil rights group released areport Tuesday identifying 867 incidents of harassment and intimidation between November 9 and November 18. Many of those incidents involved harassers invoking Trump’s name, making it clear that the outbreak of hate was primarily due to his success in the election. The highest number of hate incidents occurred on November 9, the day after the election, with 202 recorded. November 10 and 11 also experienced a high volume of hate crimes with 166 and 138 incidents reported, respectively. Broken down by motivation, anti-immigrant sentiment was involved in most of the incidents, followed by anti-black and anti-Semitic hate crimes. The SPLC called on Trump to take responsibility for his actions and repair the damage he caused, as well as for him to denounce racism and bigotry and reconsider key appointments. http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcom...-in-hate-crime-infographic/&refURL=&referrer=
Those are reports, not crimes that have been investigated and tried. The paranoia alone about Trump is enough to create some false reports, and there are a lot of liars out there that will report false hate crimes to get attention or make a political point. I mean Jesus christ, is bringing up Trump now qualify as a hate crime? That's what this article implies.
I recall seeing a video posted in this forum of four people (with similar skin tones) violently attacking a man (with a significantly different melanin level) because they assumed he was a Trump voter. I imagine it would qualify as a hate crime, and I doubt it was the only incident of that nature.
He's just playing the same game the left is playing and it's called Identity politics. It's exactly what drives a wedge in between the people, and exactly why Hillary Clinton lost. Oh, this chart is exactly what the left loves to scream about. I saw this Muslim professor go on Tucker Carlson last night proclaiming this exact same thing and he absolutely destroyed her with REAL data. The data, and this chart reflect nothing but conjecture at this point, but damned if the left aren't quick to twist it around to serve their narrative. If you want real data on crimes, I think it's somewhere around ~5000 hate crimes this year out of 120+ million people.
I saw the same video, and some on the left would say this wasn't a hate crime because those four people aren't in a position to be racist or hate. I also saw a video of an older white gentlemen being drug out of his car and beat (car stolen) for voting for Trump, by black people. I bring this up because a black Democrat left supporter pretty much laughed at him and poked fun of the incident, on air.
This is wht i dont get the hate crime label. you commited arson which is a crime, and you did it because you hate trump. how is it not a hate crime? it's more double think bullshit.
"Hate Crimes" require motivation based on a protected class (race, religion, ethnicity, national origin, gender, sexual orientation). Political affiliation isn't a protected class, so burning a car of a Trump voter can't be classified as a hate crime.
Thats why the term is fucking retarded. i dont understand how people who want to stop racism and homophobia ect want to do so by singling themselves out and dividing themselves into a different class than others. it's like hey dont label me we are all the same, but im also part of this class that you cant be in. neener neener. how is that equality?
You misunderstand the term "protected class". In this context, "class" doesn't mean "group of people"; it means "type of difference". So (for example), black people aren't more protected than white people; it's the type of differentiation--black v white or white v black--that is protected. Thus, we're all equally represented by various identifiers that are part of that "protected class" of differentiators. As such, if I were attacked for being (any one or a combination of) a white, american-born, heterosexual Christian male, that would qualify as a hate crime, because a "protected class" of identifier was used as a motive for the assault.
it's still fucking retarded to have protected class. laws should be applied equally to crimes. if i murder a white man i should do life in prison or more preferably get the death penalty. i should get the same punishment if i murder a black man. this is why it sounds racist to me. because now instead of investigating one man murdered another man, we have to know what race, religion, sexual preference they were and whether or not that fit into the crime. beg my pardon, but who fucking cares, he murdered someone, fucking cap him. it's like the news lately. "black man killed by white cop" "black Muslim terrorist killed by white cop" instead of "man killed by cop" there is so much focus on their race and belief system and we wonder why we are all fighting over the bullshit that shouldn't matter. but i'm racist?
I'm only focusing on @dviss1 because he is on "my side" of the political spectrum and the hope was to elucidate the issue by highlighting my sides compliance first. But the identity politics has been just as prevalent on the Right as it has on the Left. There are very few places to ever see issues really debated anymore, it's always either all slanted towards one side, or a yelling match between the sides trying to score points. I think this is a sickness in our society and it will have to be overcome eventually, or will end up being the undoing of our union.
I do not believe the right side is as prevalent as the left. The left started this entire thing with labeling, marginalization, classes, identities, groups, etc. Listen to the Joe Rogan Experience video #877, the professor goes in depth about this.
Stop fucking speaking for us. Just stop. THAT is in fact engaging in the very same identity politics that you complain about...
