Sam Amico: Blazers have talked to Sixers about Noel

I would think that many GM's don't evaluate Noel as so valuable. He has played 142 of a possible 264 games for Philadelphia. He is a big injury risk. But, it is a big risk to Portland to hold onto Crabbe's salary with his present performance. high risk, high reward for both teams. Maybe it could happen.

 

Yeah, no way am I trading our only good SF for yet another big. They can have Crabbe, Aminu, or Davis plus CLE's pick.

 

Crabbe is eventually going to come around and start shooting the ball well - it's only a matter of time. This is not a new normal for him. GMs know this.

 

Aminu/Ed/Meyers/Noah are on the table.

If we can move AC, do it.

Add in our pick or CLE pick next year.

Philly has no use for any of our players as they too have a clog up front.

 

Oh shit! I just saw Noel at Lloyd Center, NO JOKE FAMS!

 

Yeah you are right. I keep forgetting about Saric. If he is any good, and right now he is not shooting well, (but he is a rookie) he and Simmons are their future forwards. They need guards who can shoot from deep.

 

That assumes that last season was a new normal for him, rather than an unusually good season. GMs don't know that. How he's playing this year is more in line with how he played before last season. There's a perfectly good chance that Crabbe had somewhat of a fluke season last year, cashed in but wasn't on the verge of any kind of breakout.

And even last season, he wasn't great or worth what he's now being paid. His defense was as terrible as this year and his offensive win shares were only slightly positive. He was paid as a rising young player, with the expectation that he'd improve further. If he only played like last season, he'd be significantly overpaid. If he regresses to pre-2015 levels, he's a complete salary cap albatross. There's a ton of risk and not necessarily a huge upside at his salary.

 

Hilarious joke when does your special come out ?

 

It's funny I remember when everyone was saying that Barton couldn't shoot and wouldn't stick in the league. Well, all he needed was consistent playing time and a set role. Same with Crabbe. You put him on a team where he gets consistent shots, and he'll more than likely take off. GMs aren't judging him off of what he is with the Blazers but rather what he could develop into for their respective teams

 

Look at that catch-and-shoot at 0:04 !

 

I would want us to keep Crabbe.
I think the problem with him and Turner is they're being misused in the 2nd unit as they're playing together at the 2 and 3, sometimes without even a real PG alongside them.
We play no backup guards, Napier, Caughnaton and Quarterman are maybe not good enough to get actual playing time but this is our biggest issue right now.
I would actualy trade for a 3rd guard before looking to bring a rim protector, even though I like Noel.
If we had another solid guard to have a 3-guard rotation (say 36 mins for Dame and CJ, 24 minutes for another guard) we'd be that much better and both Crabbe and Turner would be more efficient

 

You would trade for a third PG before a starting center?

 

That's a really odd comparison, given that Crabbe plays EXACTLY the same role in POR that Barton plays in DEN - 6th man that plays 28 MPG off the bench. It's not like DEN made Barton a starter and played him 36 MPG.

The difference is that Barton seized the opportunity and made the most of it, whereas Crabbe got paid and put in zero effort to improve his weaknesses. There were tons of articles out early last year about how much hard work Barton put in on improving his shot and how all that hard word paid off. Barton has always been able to create his own shot, Crabbe cannot. Barton has always been a great rebounder and very good passer. Crabbe is not. Barton has always been a great finisher. Crabbe can only finish if there is no defender between him and the rim.

Here's just one of the articles about Barton's improvement:

Will Barton’s Rise More Than Circumstance

"This isn’t just a case of Barton getting significant run and finally being able to show his skills. He’s also developed as a prospect and has come a long way since being drafted 40th overall in 2012."

"The biggest skill Barton has unlocked in his time in Denver is his outside shooting. A 19.8 percent three-point shooter during his Portland tenure, he has taken an immediate leap to 35."

"While part of his success can be attributed to the higher level of comfort he has shooting with NBA defenders running at him, he’s made significant strides in his shooting motion to help improve his accuracy. He’s shooting with a higher release point and more arc on the shot to give himself a better chance of converting."

"While his production level has benefited from the spike in minutes, Barton deserves get credit for the improvements to his game."

And, another one:

Nuggets Year in Review: Will Barton

"53.5%

That was Barton's true shooting percentage this season, by far the best of his career. It's representative of the improvement Will has made in his game over this season and the increased impact he had on the Nuggets offense. Additionally, he took far far more shots this season than he has in any season prior which makes his increase in shooting efficiency even more impressive. Before the season started it was no secret that Will was one of the guys who was putting in big time hours down at the team's facility. At media day he noted how hard he had worked on his shot in the offseason and he didn't disappoint."

Barton last year in DEN averaged 14.4 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 2.5 apg, 0.9 spg, 0.5 bpg with a PER = 16.0 as a 6th man playing 28.7 MPG

This year, in POR, as a 6th man playing 27.8 mpg, Allen Crabbe is averaging 8.9 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 1.4 apg, 0.5 spg, 0.3 bpg with a PER = 9.1

Crabbe has been given the exact same opportunity in POR that Barton was given in DEN. Barton worked hard to improve the weaknesses in his game (outside shooting and decision making). Due to his hard work, he's a much better, more complete player now than when he came into the league.

Allen Crabbe is the exact same player he was when he was drafted. He's a stand still shooter who does nothing else well. He's the weakest rebounder on a weak rebounding team, a poor passer and still can't create his own shot to save his life. Where all are the articles about all the hard work Crabbe put in over the summer and how he's greatly improved his weaknesses?

And Barton makes $15 million less per year than Crabbe. All your comparison did was make me wish we'd thrown $18.5 million/year at Barton instead of Crabbe. At least then, we'd have a decent 6th man to show for it.

BNM

 

I know.. i was like....

 

It's not the minutes that's noteworthy, it's the shots. For example, if Crabbe was in Brooklyn, he would be the teams primary perimeter option, shooting at will, with specific plays run just for him. Same thing with Barton in Denver. His role is a lot different than Crabbes. The minutes might be comparable, but Barton has a lot more freedom and gets more shots as well.

 

Sorry y'all hate Crabbe. Or wait, is it because Turner has improved so you can't shit on him anymore? Who's next after Crabbe starts shooting well again?

This board is going to have a MELTDOWN if (when) another team takes on Crabbes contract.